From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-140888-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F4D138010 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E71BE03E0; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA3AE02DF for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhm2 with SMTP id hm2so3968774wib.10 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:29:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :organization:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MNtDjKZr2OglsTsrb4E0eD2WVZWtE3YmGivPmRsS/IE=; b=i1iIvGnA+zKVhELn1LKaOWsDDmnvZ0OmMHgJB346s0nfWc9BJ1iwiqTkN3ujx+17jd vDexZmQOFOjXZEle7cI3Wvg3xlK1KG/l6VUGvFUgslvKS5iZswKi+wws8QJSSxxHhCLF HiNnGNkzVVcB+85BR1u0u93OZAjY6XHJjNiBbtGyJyZHPf9jMBq295Zn13E+JhKDOX1J uU82OEL9OPbENJbQrc6NZ0JqCwvGKuwwLAWPq2WUVuHK93f5hajFa3bRSHxb+n4O+qZD 1rMlEJ50M7/ybZva/Ie6cQ9pm7qxy/wl5AdOLxX1x0in2JF2hlOd2df/efcV/IOzZIjK zh7g== Received: by 10.180.84.104 with SMTP id x8mr36251791wiy.20.1346200167955; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khamul.example.com (196-215-205-207.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.205.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w7sm7508102wiz.0.2012.08.28.17.29.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 02:29:00 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try? Message-ID: <20120829022900.0e6d7be7@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: <201208290115.30740.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> References: <502DF7D0.8010200@wonkology.org> <502E9E84.4060500@wonkology.org> <503D30C7.1000209@wonkology.org> <201208290115.30740.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.11; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: d9ee36e2-9bec-4317-bc9f-4032e7abdf09 X-Archives-Hash: 1cda9fc61c77634001eeafd463e27f96 On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:15:30 +0100 Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2012 21:57:43 Alex Schuster wrote: > > I wrote: > > > Well, all I can do now is to get a new board and see if things > > > will be okay then. > > [...] > > So I had to wait. And when it became available, I wondered if it > > might be the processor instead that has the problem, so I let the PC > > shop diagnose CPU and board. This took until today, and they > > confirmed it was the board indeed, not the CPU. > > Let me get this straight. The shop ran tests and concluded that the > motherboard was faulty, not the CPU? > > > Fine, I bought the board > > ...it having been tested and found faulty! > > > guess what - it doesn't work. > > Sorry, but I must be misreading this. You've said that the board was > diagnosed faulty, but you bought it anyway and it turned out faulty. > Where is the mystery? > > Is this a problem with the English language? I thought I knew it > inside- out, upside-down and back-to-front. I still think so. Yet > your account has you tying yourself in knots over a known fault. > No, not at all. He means (just read the whole mail with a view to understanding the communication, not finding the grammar faults) that the shop diagnosed the old board was faulty so he bought a new board which involved a week's wait. That board now might be faulty too. Most obvious cause: Something is breaking the motherboards. Most obvious root cause: PSU Rule #1 in dealing with odd weird strange computer faults is ALWAYS test with another PSU of at least twice the capacity you think you need. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com