From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SZNeI-00045c-FR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:43:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6124E0A5F; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f53.google.com (mail-ee0-f53.google.com [74.125.83.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8141CE0841 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekc41 with SMTP id c41so1137821eek.40 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:41:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PGNdl0E08G06ch1EfDuYDfKPAGGlReNOHgWLsBpgp0w=; b=B655BoGIQhCOHXSQz3/PBywX/pS4tp6U0DK4ryW7LujDYPeUBfOiMeI815HtQq20IJ kZDNgplB/MKOXxSEcZhDNaRr1Wp6JgTGEi4WnT7rAipDQgY7utYZflXjlMkIMVzq2YDy GONvPhk+zZRNvlGUSNvVRLKNzkdT0L7qhpk7FFa1qtxDY0wSVOuKbcE6JJbw5eMiTgO4 5FwVRMUZgtgpPawhsz/a7dQOXE6uXPhxWnZebRDzrULEDQoLWtuUhlP1aineLMoQaCRv +E12a6u8Hi66bHVahM2C0WDz2FGimnxveC9priMn+81PHLFaN0oFv41n86FGv4/vVy9A 5Jaw== Received: by 10.14.95.207 with SMTP id p55mr4190021eef.40.1338302463697; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khamul.example.com ([196.215.209.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm49541701ees.16.2012.05.29.07.41.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:37:37 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} hire a programmer or company? Message-ID: <20120529163737.1d6aaa45@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4FC0C217.6050302@binarywings.net> <4FC1EAFD.6010504@binarywings.net> <20120527231852.186a968f@khamul.example.com> <20120528225029.5e9181bd@khamul.example.com> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 27a7cde7-d734-44bd-814c-74d0a74ce2c6 X-Archives-Hash: 9d05f6c340b382efbd85318adf789201 On Tue, 29 May 2012 09:58:00 -0400 Michael Mol wrote: > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Grant wrote: > >>> >> I'll be getting my feet wet with this shortly. =A0Any other tips > >>> >> regarding the management of one or more programmers working on > >>> >> various small web projects? =A0Maybe workflow or any key > >>> >> procedures a newbie manager should follow? > >>> > > >>> > You can get away with almost anything except these two things: > >>> > > >>> > Do not micro-manage > >>> > Do not tell them how to do what they do > >>> > >>> Could you give me an example of this last one? > >> > >> - I see you are using Perl with hashrefs to do function xyz. Have > >> you considered (i.e. I would like you to) using > >> $INSERT_SOMETHING_HERE? > >> > >> - Fiddling with the roadmap. Somehow, this always ends up like the > >> homeowner overriding the architect and trying to get the roof up > >> before the walls. > >> > >> - Giving "advice" on the process such as saying how awesome a > >> concept stakeholders and product owners are in Scrum. But they use > >> ExtremeProgramming. > >> > >> - Wanting to personally review the code often. I've seen some > >> managers want to do this daily. > >> > >> - Get personally involved on their level. > >> > >> > >> All these things class as interference. Managers and owners who do > >> this have miles of justifiable reasons for doing so, but it's > >> always hogwash > >> - they interfere, plain and simple. > > > > This is really interesting to me. =A0Is there a forum/website/book > > with more gritty, practical advice like this on managing > > programmers? These are the kinds of mistakes I will definitely make > > if someone doesn't tell me not to. > > > > Could you tell me really briefly what a manager *should* do? > > > > I think I'll try to manage a single programmer working few hours and > > see how it goes. =A0My asking stupid questions is due to my lack of > > experience and there's only one way to fix that. >=20 > I'd probably suggest reading The Mythical Man-Month. >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month My favourite non-fiction book of all time :-) Most favourite quotes are the ones about women producing babies, and adding manpower to a late project makes it later. Oh, and this one is a classic too: Q: How do you get a project to be 3 years late? A: One day at a time. --=20 Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com