From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SSbEN-0006BD-Qp for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:49:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D9E9E0CBC; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD52E0A5C for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werj55 with SMTP id j55so448432wer.40 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=awezR9Msuw71cnDwdA9zPj7b4IBTJcj6F4F9IlvxvXE=; b=D6P8RbYphqdMSTwrelC2HrLcglRp2L9B3SIVXE0xlwfvpiZBqa+3mTGIEZO9QYSRWK BN+lJvHXryF4ChWSfFspMEsgqk/1e8c106p+hWta8EaqsnGsvoi9yhSAINCG0ruKB1+v p45Y/k4vuh38pfZeyLgdnWRpMn2YBK9oqak2iZjJzceDWHiHRPGY5HHOQUtRGfd2I6U5 2gcz5SK0KeZbEPWSIb7UAec9augh9TxCLQiFScW79uld4JNXqjGyaYAzmPciFTl6v4+T a8022T9okiv9ue/8oehpwh/mrViGdn8meaLCEq2z+J9cRAMuUcTRjZfWD7A4QeodQ4C7 CXTg== Received: by 10.180.90.102 with SMTP id bv6mr1407167wib.6.1336686357950; Thu, 10 May 2012 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa. [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3sm5800962wib.4.2012.05.10.14.45.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Are those "green" drives any good? Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:03:11 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.2.12-gentoo; KDE/4.8.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <4FAA2F0D.8080900@gmail.com> <4FAB04B7.8060306@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FAB04B7.8060306@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4415219.vZ3d1KuMYx"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201205100803.26654.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: a4a3686a-143a-419a-b168-8927777290f1 X-Archives-Hash: 97e712b64d8946d0f74b2c41ada92163 --nextPart4415219.vZ3d1KuMYx Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday 10 May 2012 00:58:47 Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale wrote: > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > >=20 > >>> My thoughts these days is that nobody really makes a bad drive anymor= e. > >>> Like cars[1], they're all good and do what it says on the box. Same > >>> with bikes[2]. > >>>=20 > >>> A manufacturer may have some bad luck and a product range is less than > >>> perfect, but even that is quite rare and most stuff ups can be fixed > >>> with new firmware. So it's all good. > >>=20 > >> That's my thoughts too. It doesn't matter what brand you go with, they > >> all have some sort of failure at some point. They are not built to la= st > >> forever and there is always the random failure, even when a week old. > >> It's usually the loss of important data and not having a backup that > >> makes it sooooo bad. I'm not real picky on brand as long as it is a > >> company I have heard of. > >=20 > > One thing to keep in mind is statistics. For a single drive by itself > > it hardly matters anymore what you buy. You cannot predict the > > failure. However if you buy multiple identical drives at the same time > > then most likely you will either get all good drives or (possibly) a > > bunch of drives that suffer from similar defects and all start failing > > at the same point in their life cycle. For RAID arrays it's > > measurably best to buy drives that come from different manufacturing > > lots, better from different factories, and maybe even from different > > companies. Then, if a drive fails, assuming the failure is really the > > fault of the drive and not some local issue like power sources or ESD > > events, etc., it's less likely other drives in the box will fail at > > the same time. > >=20 > > Cheers, > > Mark >=20 > You make a good point too. I had a headlight to go out on my car once > long ago. I, not thinking, replaced them both since the new ones were > brighter. Guess what, when one of the bulbs blew out, the other was out > VERY soon after. Now, I replace them but NOT at the same time. Keep in > mind, just like a hard drive, when one headlight is on, so is the other > one. When we turn our computers on, all the drives spin up together so > they are basically all getting the same wear and tear effect. Unless you're driving something out of the 60's before halogen bulbs came o= ut,=20 you didn't by any chance touched them with your greasy fingers - did you? = =20 Because that's a promoter of early failure (unequal temperature tension cau= sed=20 by impurities on the glass). It's better to use a clean tissue or the foam wrapper they are packed in an= d=20 take care not to touch them with your fingers at all. Should you=20 inadvertently do so, then you'll need to clean them with meths or similar=20 degreaser. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart4415219.vZ3d1KuMYx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk+raD4ACgkQVTDTR3kpaLZ3/ACg2bZ9QWgIxIoYHaYfg0LuCmoT PSgAoLc+261+21pw5L1cW9lEdLvnZHDo =Gby5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4415219.vZ3d1KuMYx--