From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SDMUH-0001yI-FF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:02:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68512E0CD3; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A63E0CA8 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so1436727wer.40 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:59:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o6Otr6tO6HXe2/Q6mLl8UhTBsVRlMLAx4wVqTNNu6e8=; b=dARgiS7W5/ntkgNuN+CFSWxHu/ngIyDt1wS35XfDbAmSCZ91UZs/jggTfSkR6UEqBx piXLJjGbhJgjKGqfRqU1iQPS7Bgz9nQ+lGf6l0GQYMjhkZ9MuqcwbUdyyug6qZpY8fBr 5jcyYnac9peluixmAgG9aPItyBHZPNj9S1fxHbIIQwur9y+AzVr+5VBja5y2PRc8GfXs FykWXK67+laVmpoAVX3c3/hCin82uKiaE2Q/LqLQ55huNN/Yjx7NwF1W/b/pyvzt2rzL 4B7I/0DKKDJT8tlUSTzczEkE+UOJCnnMfDO8CBQvmc6sw/iwj4Qs2VRDzRCqjf61XOeC 3gow== Received: by 10.180.86.132 with SMTP id p4mr8932099wiz.15.1333054771548; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khamul.example.com (196-210-183-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.183.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n20sm228391wiw.5.2012.03.29.13.59.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:58:18 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought Message-ID: <20120329225818.3adcc8e6@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: <20120329130149.2b5d26ed@abydos.local> References: <1332844604.4130.0@numa-i> <4F71BE44.3080206@kutulu.org> <01de01cd0c26$98088c40$c819a4c0$@kutulu.org> <4F71E12F.7060108@gmail.com> <000901cd0c40$0a137520$1e3a5f60$@kutulu.org> <4F720751.3020900@gmail.com> <4F72149D.7060605@darkmetatron.de> <4F721D30.8090400@gmail.com> <4F722735.90500@gmail.com> <4F72348A.2060407@gmail.com> <20120327235215.7834f4c7@khamul.example.com> <4F723F01.4040904@gmail.com> <20120328012023.50434b55@karnak.local> <20120328234027.33766b9c@khamul.example.com> <20120328230124.057e1472@karnak.local> <20120329002640.11ecf6e5@khamul.example.com> <20120329002004.6a4506a5@karnak.local> <20120329102836.3ea5e242@khamul.example.com> <20120329130149.2b5d26ed@abydos.local> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4dd32960-44a7-49b8-8ed2-b838fed32b98 X-Archives-Hash: fc655d53204c7bc2df7365c778fdb09f On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:01:49 +0100 David W Noon wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:28:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:20:04 +0100 > > David W Noon wrote: > [snip] > > > The Gentoo developers have been discussing just that. The reason > > > is that many of the daemons that can be started by udev scripts > > > require work files on /var, so we could well need /var mounted > > > too. > > > > Which begs the obvious question, > > > > Why on earth is udev launching daemons in EARLY BOOT? > > Your guess is as good as mine! > > At present, the first thing I see when udev starts is a failed attempt > to run /usr/sbin/alsactl to restore the audio levels on my sound card. > This occurs before localmount or any other services in the sysinit > run-level have been started. Just why anybody wants sound before the > disk volumes have been mounted baffles me; I guess people are just > desperate for the comforts of stereo. Perhaps the ability to hear the computer go "bing" when volumes mount is a killer marketing feature.... Reminds me of Sigourney Weaver's character in Galaxy Quest - she was the bimbo who announced to the room whenever the computer went bing > Perhaps my mind simply lacks > the sophistication to understand the design of udev. > > I guess I'll just stick to my 80-column Hollerith cards. ... :-) -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com