From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SAMZt-0006uq-95 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:31:53 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D3E8E0B76; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A69E0B6B for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so1140355wer.40 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:30:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pWlAYmo6NUL9aB1YPsDtE2NzJggz240wA5unlcIlj10=; b=O4d7iino+iFFGg5kje+LKO7n3JZghRITC3S//qpA45vXYTZ1/uC+vtXbhe5m11Vu+R YbJXEVA900VC8St3CVB1spoN8uFNkyQ86pSMJ5OtjcXf/hZu+Vv928xXt3Z8yNp3+R3n Re5+R4+cmDqwO62ZN7slodfwHxgpd5ZLs6S50lL21HGS0TyGzNdwrfOmW199tWR3GA0j leg7HLqyxUezlGglhqxqFGjBSaH1gum8nRqXw2JHMAUfjQmB8VQfHrGepuaKHFtN3CVU DAvD0U/+VOWl5qb9Nsp3z0VEP4rqQKuTmQsl7bRk0dcIoosQOlTZ1mFO0HV2CSb02sd0 azPg== Received: by 10.180.105.194 with SMTP id go2mr9529276wib.22.1332340223015; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khamul.example.com (196-210-183-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.183.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex2sm8125776wib.8.2012.03.21.07.30.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:29:24 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] Message-ID: <20120321162924.08ac20df@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: <20120321044027.GC15853@waltdnes.org> References: <709768995.843751.1331957483491.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <20120317115300.GB3615@acm.acm> <20120318151502.36891b0a@khamul.example.com> <20120318222337.GA11848@waltdnes.org> <20120319003526.5cb093c3@khamul.example.com> <20120319225822.GA13451@waltdnes.org> <20120320011824.0c4f0748@khamul.example.com> <20120321044027.GC15853@waltdnes.org> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3f268ea6-c897-447e-a030-2b98f4b05fb4 X-Archives-Hash: df3ef454005dc2ff3600e57aec940f22 On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:40:27 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 01:18:24AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > > > I'm not sure where you're going with this. We're discussing an init > > system and good, simple ways to start services. App maintainers are > > going to continue to do whatever they feel they ought to do, some > > might write the systemd files, some might not - that is what already > > happens. Someone has to write it and what goes in it depends on what > > the app code does, not the other way round. > > The point I'm making is that if the initialization is moved into the > binary, then the binary will have to be patched/modified/whatever. > There's already somebody with a systemd overlay. Assuming that the > initialization code gets shoved into the binary, how does it > simultaneously support openrc/systemd/linux/bsd/Sun/HPUX/etc/etc? The > only realistic answer I see is leaving the init code to the distro > maintainer. We don't expect the upstream for sshd or any other > software to write Gentoo-specific stuff like ebuilds. Whey should > they be expected to write Gentoo-specific initscripts? Fair enough > > As for the last question, I really have no idea where you're taking > > this. I don't know the answer, I've never been a maintainer in that > > position. Being the arrogant shit that I am, I reckon I would > > probably tell the user to piss off and I don't support hobby crap. > > But hey, that's just what I think I might say while sitting here on > > my couch. > > So you're saying you wouldn't have supported... No, you're saying that you believe that you think I would say that based on some extrapolation of I don't know what. I said no such thing. I said that I don't know what I would do Let's not get too carried away with Linus's little project being representative of anything. It's a fluke. There are 100s of other hobby systems that went nowhere. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com