Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

["Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>]

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 01:18:24AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote

> I'm not sure where you're going with this. We're discussing an init
> system and good, simple ways to start services. App maintainers are
> going to continue to do whatever they feel they ought to do, some might
> write the systemd files, some might not - that is what already
> happens. Someone has to write it and what goes in it depends on what
> the app code does, not the other way round.

  The point I'm making is that if the initialization is moved into the
binary, then the binary will have to be patched/modified/whatever.
There's already somebody with a systemd overlay.  Assuming that the
initialization code gets shoved into the binary, how does it
simultaneously support openrc/systemd/linux/bsd/Sun/HPUX/etc/etc?  The
only realistic answer I see is leaving the init code to the distro
maintainer.  We don't expect the upstream for sshd or any other software
to write Gentoo-specific stuff like ebuilds.  Whey should they be
expected to write Gentoo-specific initscripts?

> As for the last question, I really have no idea where you're taking
> this. I don't know the answer, I've never been a maintainer in that
> position. Being the arrogant shit that I am, I reckon I would probably
> tell the user to piss off and I don't support hobby crap. But hey,
> that's just what I think I might say while sitting here on my couch.

  So you're saying you wouldn't have supported...

> From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
> Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
> Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
> Summary: small poll for my new operating system Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
> Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
> Organization: University of Helsinki
> 
> Hello everybody out there using minix - I'm doing a (free) operating
> system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for
> 386(486) AT clones. This has been brewing since april, and is starting
> to get ready.I'd like any feedback on things people like/dislike in
> minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat (same physical layout of the
> file-system(due to practical reasons) among other things). I've
> currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40),and things seem to
> work.This implies that I'll get something practical within a few
> months, andI'd like to know what features most people would want.
> Any suggestions are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement
> them :-) Linus (torvalds@kruuna.helsinki.fi) PS. Yes - it's free of
> any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.  It is NOT protable
> (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never will support
> anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.

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Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>