From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S9Kf5-0000XB-3Z for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:16:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81EFFE096B; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from crowfix.com (li35-165.members.linode.com [72.14.176.165]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97087E0682 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20222 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2012 18:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO df.crowfix.com) (10.130.13.2) by 10.130.13.1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2012 18:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 20803 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Mar 2012 18:14:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:14:17 -0700 From: felix@crowfix.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my... Message-ID: <20120318181417.GG5861@crowfix.com> References: <4F661EE7.9040904@libertytrek.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F661EE7.9040904@libertytrek.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 481f0f4a-50da-4584-8f20-7090fdb6a474 X-Archives-Hash: 46bf66e23c8e67a8a25e9b3a2af04e67 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 01:44:07PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > Creating a new thread for this questions since mine got lost in all of > the follow-ups... > > I would really appreciate a meaningful response to this question (maybe > I should go ask this on -dev?) - this has the potential to lose me > forever as a gentoo user (I'm sure none of you are crying over that, but > *I* am), and I've seen other similar comments... I'm thinking of FreeBSD > too (and PCBSD for my desktop)... I wonder what to do also. Part of me wonders why in the hell anyone thinks they need to make such a change, seemingly just for the sake of change. Having /root, /boot, and /bin et all distinct from the user mode /usr, /home, and everything else always seemed to me one of the genuinely clever bits of Unix. I understand that things get more complex, and the idea of a very simple base system are long gone, but why does that require doing away with the separate partitions? Maybe I'm just a retro grouch in that respect. But there are other concerns. I had thought of just copying /boot et all into /usr, adding a grub entry to boot off that partition, and easing into the brave new world. But I can't do that. My /usr is an LVM partition, and making that bootable is apparently as big as hassle, perhaps more so, than using dracut or some simpler initramfs. I began computing back before there were integrated circuits and 8 bit computers, let alone cell phones with more computing power than the $10M monsters. I look forward to the day when my pocket computer automatically links to the display and keyboard at my desk when I sit down, or projects its display on the wall and watches my fingers on a bare desk for keys and I don't have to worry about synching my various computers or worrying about patent wars. The days have long passed when I enjoyed seeing how many instructions I could get on one 80 column punched card (hint: overlap them) or how few instructions it took to figure out the days in a month (hint: use parity) or spending days optimizing for a drum computer ... or messing with configuration issues because some self-proclaimed efficiency export decided that /usr was needed at boot. My attitude right now is to wait and see. Maybe this will all blow over, maybe the self-proclaimed experts will find other things to do, maybe other self-proclaimed experts will find nifty tools to make migration easier. In the meantime, I have other work to do, and I will just freeze parts of my system for the time being. I don't see migrating to other systems as being worth any more than an up-yours. Any other linux system will no doubt do the same. Any other unix but not linux system will have an entirely different hassle. I am past the days when dinking for the sake of dinking involved boot issues and disk configurations. There are much more interesting bigger issues to dink with now. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@crowfix.com GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o