From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7z7Z-0006q7-Pg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:04:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 499D0E07FA; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77D9E0903 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:03:42 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AokGAKU/KE+4rw20/2dsb2JhbACBX48mjVV5iHCeGYMUgwUElE6GS4QJ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,1,1325480400"; d="scan'208";a="168055854" Received: from 184-175-13-180.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([184.175.13.180]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2012 21:03:41 -0400 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:03:10 -0400 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:03:10 -0400 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts. Message-ID: <20120315010310.GC32691@waltdnes.org> References: <292166434.606817.1331577566543.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <4F5E853F.8060404@gmail.com> <017301cd00bd$24bce2f0$6e36a8d0$@kutulu.org> <20120313091356.5a947032@khamul.example.com> <07ed01cd01fd$ea6c6b60$bf454220$@kutulu.org> <005701cd022f$e8228fb0$b867af10$@kutulu.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <005701cd022f$e8228fb0$b867af10$@kutulu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 759ab0fe-2265-4d9b-802a-f4423f8a1a56 X-Archives-Hash: ddf343cdfb7bd5443f949a1cb409dcd6 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:15:03PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote > Every machine I run Linux on is a huge desktop system running behemoth > software (Eclipse, GNOME, Chromium, LibreOffice, etc.). I have Abiword, Gimp, Gnumeric, Firefox, etc, running just fine, thank you, on ICEWM. > He seems to be producing a rather vitriolic, and IMO uncalled-for, > rant against the simple fact that computers do more stuff in 2012 than > they did in 1972 and the udev developers are changing with the times. > This argument falls flat when the author fails to identify what > he or she considers to be critical vs. non-critical software. Is > bluetoothd critical? On my laptop it is not. On my main development > workstation it is not. On my wife's desktop it is because she has > a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse combination. Should bluetoothd be moved > from /usr/sbin to /sbin? Along with libglib and libdbus, which it > depends on? How about usbmuxd, or alsactl? *YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP* won't boot properly without /usr on /, or an initramfs. OK, put /usr on /, or an initramfs *ON YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP*. I don't have a problem with that. What gets people really upset is the dog-in-the-manger attitude of "if my complex/corner-case machine won't boot up without /usr on /, or an initramfs, then by golly *NOBODY'S* machine will be allowed to boot up without /usr on /, or an initramfs". My machine does not use bluetooth/other-weird-stuff. udev doesn't need to find bluetooth drivers on /usr on my machine. Why is udev being deliberately broken to not work on *EVERYBODY'S* machine if they don't have /usr on /, or an initramfs? -- Walter Dnes