From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7Xj0-0000eh-MH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:49:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6343CE08D3; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.muc.de (colin.muc.de [193.149.48.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE5AE0BAA for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 42830 invoked by uid 3782); 13 Mar 2012 19:48:25 -0000 Received: from acm.muc.de (pD951B273.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.178.115]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:48:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 4158 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Mar 2012 19:47:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:47:27 +0000 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-( Message-ID: <20120313194727.GB2536@acm.acm> References: <20111115062115.GA3262@waltdnes.org> <20111121104724.GC7461@waltdnes.org> <20111201194544.GD4455@waltdnes.org> <20120217234045.GA25390@waltdnes.org> <20120311090912.GA23850@waltdnes.org> <20120312092432.GA2959@acm.acm> <20120313073306.GC23544@waltdnes.org> <20120313130534.GB3457@acm.acm> <20120313190052.GA2430@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120313190052.GA2430@waltdnes.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alan Mackenzie X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-Archives-Salt: d11e6f23-140c-418a-922c-a3bd748aa0cf X-Archives-Hash: 667173913b7831226f8ba2b5911e5ad9 Hello, Walter, On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 03:00:52PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:05:34PM +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote > > I also did "2> {system,world}.err". system.err was empty. I've included > > world.err in the enclosed tarball. > From your error listing, it looks like lvm2, kde, and gnome (including > the XFCE subset) require udev. Ouch. :-) This cannot be the case. Otherwise somebody would have said. Hmm. What we could do with is a "requires xdev", for x in (m u). I've forgotten what that's called in portage. There are surely lots of packages marked "need udev" which don't really need it at all. I mean, are there any programs which need precisely udev to work, as opposed to a populated /dev? I mean, what does udev give me that mdev won't? That's not really a rhetorical question. What potential benefits am I throwing away by converting to mdev? > -- > Walter Dnes -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).