From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S7LyS-0004Pt-Eh for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:16:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC2F4E0E89; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDFDE0D87 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so245644wer.40 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 00:14:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O77+JL7MNvV9N7dJToRXvnFDsUh+7ZBPIM9PEFPW0ck=; b=Tzd5fcQ8M3Gf1YJCMqwtBr8wk2xbGie+vl6u0EEJolqCGmNc3tXgy9wPzLTZllt9dj NzmQnLT7KDJiWXfIlaJAX75Wul3cnfk2C1S59fGNcrJvJ2Msm+TJyIrAcc6rTPylWdEo mAYZcjukE2W+rzNkCIy8r2PY1DTz4hYGCQRMDjPPjGDn8Ysf+eLY92vSz0vSH1C9Nw/H irat0aVPIZ9DvVJR0wxL+ggZRROXoXozi+qOj28nBQi1u4eTsQcE/QwSl+kknV9tB3Gj fHRyoqY5UFCKdDH85t1cA2UaTKJjYQtmHXfYTEV1zQPdS/lIecj7mvTa6ZTKDwVSm/ds fetw== Received: by 10.180.96.168 with SMTP id dt8mr4564455wib.18.1331622881116; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 00:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khamul.example.com (196-215-69-205.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.69.205]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bg3sm40745391wib.10.2012.03.13.00.14.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 13 Mar 2012 00:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:13:56 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts. Message-ID: <20120313091356.5a947032@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4F5AC0F6.6000804@gmail.com> <4F5B33CA.2020705@coolmail.se> <20120310153540.5194cd7c@digimed.co.uk> <4F5BBE7A.8040802@coolmail.se> <4F5C724C.1010708@coolmail.se> <292166434.606817.1331577566543.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <4F5E853F.8060404@gmail.com> <017301cd00bd$24bce2f0$6e36a8d0$@kutulu.org> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c6e15f03-86e4-4b90-b661-2d7a2b0976ca X-Archives-Hash: 5c957e5c62656a5feb516bf1bc0c6d2d On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700 Pandu Poluan wrote: > > The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without > > the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices > > is a configuration that causes problems in many real-world, > > practical situations. > > > > The requirement of having /usr on the same partition as / is also a > > configuration that causes problems in many real-world, practical > > situations. > > > > I quite often read about this, and after some thinking, I have to > ask: why? > I've also thought about this and I also want to ask why? I stopped using a separate /usr on my workstations a long time ago when I realized it was pointless. The days of 5M hard disks when the entire OS didn't fit on one are long gone. The days of my software going tits up at the drop of a hat requiring a minimal repair environment to fix it at boot are also long gone (my desk is littered with LiveCDs and bootable flash drives). So I can't find a single good reason why /usr *must* be separate and my workstations are the only machines that will ever have hotplug booting issues. I'm even considering changing the install standards for the company servers to dispense with separate /usr, as long as there are safeguards against clowns who don't read INSTALL files and happily accept /usr/local//var as a storage area. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com