From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1S2mOq-00079A-2Y for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:29:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10C2AE0942; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.virtyou.com (mx.virtyou.com [178.33.32.244]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CD8E0942 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from weird.wonkology.org (xdsl-78-35-188-148.netcologne.de [78.35.188.148]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx.virtyou.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22FC5DC04C for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:27:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:27:50 +0100 From: Alex Schuster To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] portage updates Message-ID: <20120229172750.60e1a20c@weird.wonkology.org> In-Reply-To: <201202281530.14199.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> References: <20120223131601.158ccfd7@khamul.example.com> <201202280037.19794.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> <20120228122340.45a3dd56@weird.wonkology.org> <201202281530.14199.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: e3e5808f-d194-45c9-a0a8-5b24838e98f9 X-Archives-Hash: 4f5f96b214b8d55bb02294f7fa3e61ed Peter Humphrey writes: > On Tuesday 28 February 2012 11:23:40 Alex Schuster wrote: > > Peter Humphrey writes: > > > Now can anyone tell me why clicking the first link in this e-mail > > > opened it in Konqueror and the second in Firefox? > > > > Because KDE is so weird all over the place. > > Well I just hope the team get it sorted out soon. I'm waiting since KDE 4.2. And I believe it will never happen. Yes, things are getting better, and more things get fixed than break by updates. But still KDE4 has so many bugs and annoyances, nearly every day some weird things happen. > I can't stand any of > the Gnomes and the lighter desktops are just too thin on features. Me too. I _like_ KDE. If only things were more stable. I do not need any new features, I'd prefer the existing ones to work as they should. Look at Dolphin for example, the file manager. I expect such a thing to just work. But until 4.8 it didn't, it had some bugs that made it nearly unusable for me. Like the effect that after dragging files to a 2nd panel, Dolphin acted as if the mouse button was pressed, marking all files, and scrolling till the end when the mouse leaves the Dolphin window. Believe me, this is very annoying when copying/moving many files around. And don't press del to delete the files you copied, you might put all files in that directory to the trash. The scrolling behaviour was also annoying, I drag a file to the destination folder, which is near the top, and just when I release, the folder started to scroll away and the file is moved into another folder. Both bugs seem to be fixed in 4.8, and now Dolphin is better than the Windows XP explorer, finally. Of course, there was another bug introduced, couldn't reproduce it yet, and it does not happen often. All stuff scrolls down to the bottom then, I cannot scroll up, but with wild clicking on all mouse buttons it finally stops. Another example of these weird problems, just because it happened today: I copied 100 MB via FTP using Dolphin. Then I got an error dialog, there was a problem writing the file. Dolphin did not update the content, so I could not see how far the upload went. After some F5 pressing, it said "internal error, please send a detailed bug report". Seems there was a problem renaming the file after download, I had to remove the '.part' suffix manually. No big deal, but such problems happen all over the time when I use KDE applications. Some errors are reproduceable, and I can avoid them, but many things just happen once. If you are an experienced user, you can live with that - as I said, I still like KDE, and its great features. But for the inexperienced user like my mom KDE is totally unusable, as very basic features often do not work. Like, logging out. I put Gnome on her notebook, so I do not have to help her every day when yet another problem arises. > > > I can't see any material difference between the two links. > > > > Yes, there is none. > > > > This doesn't happen here, but I'm using the new KMail. > > I'm not going to that version until it works. It was only careful > backing up that avoided losing half my e-mails. As it was, the basic > functions of an e- mail client were almost completely absent. I'm using Claws mainly, and KMail2 for stuff like encryption or local mail folders that I did not (yet?) spend the time to set up with Claws. I migrated KDEPIM stuff for three times, and it never worked well, and always took me hours at least to get a working setup. This is just unbelieveable. And I can be happy, because I did not lose any mails - probably because I use IMAP only. And this is so sad. Generally, I like the idea of Akonadi. And I see some advantages - for example, Claws does not respond while it is checking for new mails, and it seems to do this so very often just when I want to see a new mail. KDE does this in the background. But there are far too many problems with this. So many people were bitten by this. And email is such an important issue. BTW, since 4.8, at every login I get messages that some calendar stuff did not get configured, migrated or whatever. Good thing I don't use it much, so I just do not care. But would I really entrust my important personal data to KDEPIM applications? Probably not. Wonko