From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-134579-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1Ru7w8-0002Fd-Bo for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:39:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 637F3E081B; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984D6E0776 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr12 with SMTP id dr12so5335214wgb.10 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:38:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IxXW1vaPKmmBXIUCpuByH4gXlxsBWpV7vmOyKsJgJgM=; b=CEK5+mgxluiMEjVgKDonCwHsJ3U8i86sYSHcoaZwQ2weYM2dm/gpb/HVBKT3hGrrKj wNSLkIv6BZ3jTphjahi5Yn15CiGDg/i2oM/zS/HHLMQS2oYR7rTQqzTVlNtGgHq+N3aP xv16HsYMaFswBL5KnQa1/oWSbusOV4c6DdtJE= Received: by 10.180.102.35 with SMTP id fl3mr5741638wib.22.1328470711872; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from khamul.example.com (196-215-2-107.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.2.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q2sm20560013wiy.7.2012.02.05.11.38.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:38:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:37:42 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: amarok fade down Message-ID: <20120205213742.1caa7f77@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: <CADPrc838C9UjKC6T_Njm5O4bOd_TFdKqxDhDjf04bMrtCsB45g@mail.gmail.com> References: <201202041604.54968.stephane@22decembre.eu> <jgjno8$g02$1@dough.gmane.org> <201202051440.56056.stephane@22decembre.eu> <CADPrc838C9UjKC6T_Njm5O4bOd_TFdKqxDhDjf04bMrtCsB45g@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.9; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f23a4caf-c1ea-41e4-8084-a786597d20c2 X-Archives-Hash: e4b08a623c8116e44c444948b625fcd8 On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 10:02:19 -0600 Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s <caneko@gmail.com> wrote: > > Really strange decision ! =20 >=20 > Actually no; the GStreamer plugin architecture is really nice, and > nowadays any GST based player can reproduce basically anything under > the sun. VLC is not as nice (IMHO), but last time I checked it worked > almost as good as GStreamer. >=20 > Xine was OK ten years ago; it was what I used to watch DVD's. Back > then it was the only DVD player able to easily change subtitles > (important to me, since back then I didn't understand spoken English). > Then it was split into xine-ui and xine-lib, and then (if again I > remember correctly), xine-lib was given a plugin mechanism. In other > words, it wasn't designed; it evolved into the current form which can > use plugins, and which is the only sane way to handle all the audio > and video formats that come and go all the time. >=20 > In short, both GStreamer and VLC can do anything that Xine do, and > they probably do it better. If something is not working properly, it > probably is a problem with the integration with KDE (via phonon). This > should be fixed by them in a short time. You are quite correct. It is not xine itself that is moribund, it is the phonon integration with xine that has gone nowhere for a long while. And so that aspect of phonon has been dropped. phonon+xine wasn't dropped in favour of phonon+gstreamer. It's more a case of the number of phonon devs that feel like working on gstreamer is quite a lot (relatively) but the number of phonon devs working on xine is rather few (I believe it is actually zero), so it died. --=20 Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com