From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Rq3rS-0005XR-3j for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:30:06 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF271E0779; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3271E0444 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzt19 with SMTP id zt19so3309155bkb.40 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:28:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=noY22ubXs02xVrsXTOXh7A/+EAxEpRdO+CEy2L4uYxo=; b=xFZ4UV98x95S20QLLyv4vL5iefuZ/2Qdgpn+3fP1njk0b4CSb1iG/rQzQfx1vHUVVo mx2JWbcU/+FMp2sPXoTddc22FKv0HkfxTBXEXZFHiFgMjVmngXqYYa2iq/mHFS6/4ei6 jhQlHxcQwTjmcJpcIuVRYFGlCyudJAHpastCA= Received: by 10.204.130.129 with SMTP id t1mr7170067bks.33.1327501725776; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from khamul.example.con (196-215-2-107.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.2.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sp6sm1351428bkb.2.2012.01.25.06.28.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 Jan 2012 06:28:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:28:11 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome-control-center any way to configure without pulseaudio? Message-ID: <20120125162811.5f93c41c@khamul.example.con> In-Reply-To: References: <2624.1327439667@ccs.covici.com> <18451.1327474321@ccs.covici.com> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.8; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a7b01505-4c8a-4156-8ac0-173639492bc6 X-Archives-Hash: 00fe71760f147732ac9ac0fcdecd3020 On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:24:46 -0800 walt wrote: > On 01/24/2012 10:52 PM, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > walt wrote: > > >> I just scanned through the gnome-control-center code looking for > >> clues about pulse and found no sign that pulse is voluntary. > > > So what would happen if I installed pulse and just didn't > > start the thing, what would I lose then? > > I tried that and found that the gnome applet for controlling the > volume and mixer controls won't work without pulse. You can use some > other app to change the volume, I suppose, but I didn't bother to try > it. Seems like a losing battle in the long run. Maybe if we wait > long enough pulse will actually become useful to ordinary everyday > users. Why do you say that? (Serious question, I'm not jerking your chain) I also don't use pulse - plain ALSA is good enough for me - but looking over the design goals for pulseaudio I see a decent attempt to deal with audio properly for the future. These days we have computers and devices that can interact with many other things in weird and wonderful ways and software needs to deal with that. It's similar in a way to the rise of desktop environments in the past - instead of a bunch of isolated apps all doing their own thing independantly, systems like KDE created an environment where apps interacted nicely and all needed to plug into the same bus. Whether that goal was properly accomplished or not is a different debate :-) If a simpler desktop is your thing and you actually prefer *Box|XFCE or such then you have no need of pulse audio and that's OK. I just curious why you think that it's not useful to the ordinary user in a generic wide way. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com