From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RilnB-0008Uh-7p for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:47:33 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 698C121C025; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f53.google.com (mail-yw0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D95D21C025 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhjj52 with SMTP id j52so83885yhj.40 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:46:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FCNfz40dxqaVfr63R4+U4e+B85/jRML+ndTZ/vrK/9g=; b=gOpQEhYHY0udj4TkVYLg8qj4XNjXzrbAo4OfheMDLM8ZUJkVCJ0l9tjp8mu9Q8MTTD TiLlbyfxEYPHBKjJqPu5//bFQXdrX1fDUWOU2/tpvkZALRMvi8Gk+W5HENfgxztw9Ahb B9MvFbXESZrH6E9DKKla/YPjvt4DZWMjMnI7o= Received: by 10.236.145.230 with SMTP id p66mr932024yhj.27.1325763981842; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rohan.example.com (196-215-2-107.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.2.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm146163059ant.12.2012.01.05.03.46.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:46:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:46:06 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3 Message-ID: <20120105134606.65d3ae5e@rohan.example.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20111115062115.GA3262@waltdnes.org> <20111121104724.GC7461@waltdnes.org> <20111201194544.GD4455@waltdnes.org> <20120103100445.GD1961@waltdnes.org> <20120103123209.GB2410@nicolas-desktop> <20120103131346.GC2410@nicolas-desktop> <20120103143120.GF2410@nicolas-desktop> <20120103221555.22c778a3@digimed.co.uk> <4F038C23.5030708@gmail.com> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 0f902237-c705-4a22-8bd4-d9075109d195 X-Archives-Hash: 9eb0b5f69f6adb8c6c693664c91bd51b On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:07:04 +0700 Pandu Poluan wrote: > (As a side note, initramfs introduces not one, but *MANY* additional > breaking points: the tool used to generate the initramfs might be > buggy and/or feature-incomplete, the initramfs itself might encounter > an unrecoverable error, the pivot_root or chroot might snag upon some > not-so-edge cases, etc.) I completely agree. But if we take one more step backwards for a wider view we see something even more bizarre: I switch on a modern computer and it: - loads a feature rich OS (UEFI) from a fixed point in firmware which then - loads a feature rich OS (grub2) from a fixed point on a storage device which then - loads a feature rich OS (initrd) from a variable location on a storage device which then - loads the real OS (the thing I actually wanted). So, let's see now. I need 4 OSes to get one. Wow. If a design engineer pulled that stunt in almost any other field of technology, he'd be laughed out of Dodge in a heartbeat. Methinks someone (many someones) completely lost the plot a long time ago. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com