From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri7cX-00089R-NK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:53:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 692D121C0F4; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CCB21C037 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so25540420wgb.10 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=lvF30m2B3zAp9Tf1VZbo03kx7imcF3cBXaXf6F1MOIc=; b=ES6J5gwSVBruq2jHXyS7rnkSf35OTU966M/7dkrCfr++IOKr4eUGMo0McEtxyXD2OJ NXjlYujvCNdkd/agGuhrXkW2XvgUrLFI8+SmQjbkP7r6D3tv93xTiao52qp+tt14NsPy 367KykGISgwZulH63455L5TuEu4ZrcfLkHflI= Received: by 10.227.202.211 with SMTP id ff19mr52629453wbb.15.1325609562325; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa. [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id di5sm128574234wib.3.2012.01.03.08.52.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:52:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:52:32 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.1.6-gentoo; KDE/4.7.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <20111115062115.GA3262@waltdnes.org> <20120103152229.GA5764@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20120103152229.GA5764@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3824148.kYlzBFotXN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201201031652.43853.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: f54adeb7-f98b-4056-b292-abb0cfa57f3f X-Archives-Hash: 8f74fab8a603a4fe1aaa0bb9e451c6b1 --nextPart3824148.kYlzBFotXN Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 15:22:29 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote >=20 > > (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... > > 'unconventional of going udev-free?) >=20 > Alpine linux has done it http://alpinelinux.org/ Unfortunately, > they're so minimalistic and server-oriented that they use uclibc instead > of glibc. So Alpine is not viable as a desktop distro. Think of it as >=20 > Gentoo with mdev instead of udev =3D=3D Alpine with glibc instead of ucli= bc >=20 > By the way, there's a thread on the Gentoo developer list discussing > the situation, and the proposed move of a bunch of stuff to /usr. See > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=3Dpost_view_flat;post=3D2= 45148; > page=3D1;mh=3D-1;list=3Dgentoo;sb=3Dpost_latest_reply;so=3DASC >=20 > I piped up with my proposal. We'll see what happens. I'd like to thank Walter for doing something about this and Pandu for testi= ng=20 it, rather than just wingeing (like I did). :p I don't hold any hope that mdev will replace udev, but that this effort may= go=20 someway to influence the development philosophy that has been entertained t= o=20 date with udev. A philosophy that removes choice and flexibility. This is= =20 felt more by Gentoo users, because Gentoo as we know is not a binary distro= =20 and the needs of its users are more nuanced and eclectic. As I recall from this mammoth thread mdev is one option, a staged mounting = of=20 devices/running of scripts by udev is another. Anything that will make ude= v=20 devs to stop for a minute and think again the impact of their choices on th= e=20 overall Linux community will be of benefit. If Walter's good effort bring = this=20 about I would be more than happy to support him, although with a laptop usi= ng=20 mdev may not be my immediate preferred solution. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart3824148.kYlzBFotXN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk8DMlsACgkQVTDTR3kpaLY0UACfehmrd0SGUjWyaCCX3+nGThix wvQAoPJeDS7gcnwNWHzBVWFYUF8cEsuz =d84B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3824148.kYlzBFotXN--