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From: Frank Steinmetzger <Warp_7@gmx.de>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:25:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120102162512.GA3564@eisen.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F01CC8A.2090401@orlitzky.com>

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On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:26:02AM -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 01/02/2012 10:05 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >
> > So when the user tells portage to emerge (not merge) something it goes
> > in world as obviously that's what the user wanted. Presumably the user
> > knows what they are doing and can deal with both pieces. If the user
> > would rather have software hold his hand, that user is better served by
> > Windows or Ubuntu or any number of user-centric distros, but probably
> > not by Gentoo.
> >
> > This isn't elitist, it's just the way things are. Portage's job is to
> > listen to *you*, not to to tell you what you want. The automation
> > portage provides is just the logical conclusion of what should happen
> > in future after you emerged something.
> >
> 
> That unspoken agreement is only beneficial if I have the means by which 
> to tell portage what I want it to do. The problem lies at a higher 
> level: I think I'm telling portage to update a package, but that's not 
> what --update means. It's hard for me to tell portage what I want it to 
> do, so the fact that it assumes I know what I'm doing isn't constructive.

Look at it this way:
with emerge <package> you tell portage to install a package and add it to
world. Period. The package will be installed, no matter whether it’s at the
newest version or not.  With -u, however, you tell emerge to only do the
installation if the package is actually upgradable.  So it’s not an action
(“upgrade this package”), but an option (“install only if upgradable”).
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-02 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-01 21:50 [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-01 22:06 ` Michael Mol
2012-01-01 22:13   ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-01 22:31     ` Dale
2012-01-01 22:40       ` Mark Knecht
2012-01-01 22:49         ` Dale
2012-01-01 22:54           ` Claudio Roberto França Pereira
2012-01-01 23:06             ` Dale
2012-01-01 23:07             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-01 23:07         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-01 23:22           ` Mark Knecht
2012-01-02 15:35             ` Tanstaafl
2012-01-02 15:47               ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 15:53               ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 16:01               ` Mark Knecht
2012-01-02 16:09                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 16:16                   ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 16:20                     ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 23:33                       ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-03  0:01                         ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 16:33                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 17:06                       ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 17:39                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 17:45                           ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 17:55                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 18:07                               ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 18:20                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 20:50                               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 21:08                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 21:25                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 21:33                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 22:41                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 23:11                                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 23:29                                           ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-02 23:48                                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-03  7:46                                               ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-03 19:48                                                 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-03  0:01                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 23:25                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-02 23:49                                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-03  0:04                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-03  0:22                                         ` Dale
2012-01-03  2:00                                           ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-03 13:00                                             ` Mick
2012-01-03  2:00                                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-03 11:09                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 17:47                           ` Mark Knecht
2012-01-02 17:55                             ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 17:58                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-03 14:05                               ` Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
2012-01-03 14:47                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-03 14:51                                   ` Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
2012-01-03 14:54                                 ` (Was) " Michael Mol
2012-01-03 14:55                                   ` Michael Mol
2012-01-03 16:00                                     ` Mick
2012-01-03 16:18                                       ` Michael Mol
2012-01-03 17:39                                         ` Mick
2012-01-03 17:43                                           ` Michael Mol
2012-01-03 17:52                                           ` Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
2012-01-03 18:12                                             ` Mick
2012-01-03 18:21                                               ` Michael Mol
2012-01-03 17:25                                       ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 21:11                       ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-02 21:18                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 21:28                           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 21:37                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 21:34                           ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 21:48                             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 21:58                               ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 22:13                                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 22:45                                   ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 23:12                           ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-02 21:20                         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 16:22                   ` Mark Knecht
2012-01-02 16:33                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 16:59                       ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 17:04                   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 16:57               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 17:29                 ` Mark Knecht
2012-01-02 17:47                   ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 20:48                   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-03 11:49                     ` Tanstaafl
2012-01-03 12:04                       ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-04 11:57                         ` Pandu Poluan
2012-01-02 18:14               ` Graham Murray
2012-01-02  0:09           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02  0:24             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02  9:19               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 10:06               ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-02 10:18                 ` Mick
2012-01-02 13:46                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 15:31     ` Tanstaafl
2012-01-02 15:47       ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 15:47       ` Michael Mol
2012-01-01 22:12 ` Dale
2012-01-02  9:58   ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-02 10:19     ` Dale
2012-01-02 10:56       ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-02 11:06         ` Dale
2012-01-02 13:36           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 13:50             ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 14:02               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-01-02 14:50                 ` Michael Mol
2012-01-02 15:05               ` Alan McKinnon
2012-01-02 15:26                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 16:25                   ` Frank Steinmetzger [this message]
2012-01-02 16:34                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-01-02 18:38                       ` Dale

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