From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Rgcn7-0007YQ-Lh for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:46:37 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E6AB21C081; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9BE21C024 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm12 with SMTP id m12so8020591wer.40 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:45:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=KlLaRAqcrtjPSF1nkv9uqA8wuZjXWad6th5rBfpynWY=; b=isd/JGA3nETocdLtMBXhI4d6DjmneHdr6G9QMmJVhQ5k6s9+OVWfd7+ZWOjzLq12bG 95zNsJuMKGGWLby8A7rWjyvk5F198j+8beRPM0CgBI3v1n8eSsiejF7u5vHoLewavx5t iY28KS/5u/MxUnApjaagIE3Wy476i8A++LfcU= Received: by 10.216.133.101 with SMTP id p79mr21501474wei.54.1325252723319; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa. [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fq5sm17847759wbb.17.2011.12.30.05.45.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:45:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The mess that's called KDEPIM 4.7 ... Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:45:14 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.0.6-gentoo; KDE/4.7.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <201112290043.58106.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <4EFDB669.6090903@wonkology.org> In-Reply-To: <4EFDB669.6090903@wonkology.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart28813803.8ixJpJVpAm"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201112301345.25243.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: d0646805-92a7-4f6c-8ccb-874610a570a6 X-Archives-Hash: 3b657447e121c4191d0840eb7965e4b1 --nextPart28813803.8ixJpJVpAm Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday 30 Dec 2011 13:02:33 Alex Schuster wrote: > Mick writes: > > The auto-migration did not work. It only worked partially for some mail > > account settings, but did not leave behind a workable system, with half > > the account settings missing. >=20 > I had a problem with mysql stuff missing, so Akonadi did not start and > the migration failed. I had to add the mysql USE flag to x11-libs/qt-sql. I am not using mysql. I use sqlite3 which the KDE devs say it's not up to = the=20 job (can't handle the multi-threaded-access/read/write that mysql does). S= o I=20 have the sqlite USE flag enabled. Akonadi and nepomuk started but never=20 managed the migration. No sqlite errors on the terminal that I started kma= il=20 from. BTW, this is not a suggestion to use sqlite! If you are happy to run a ful= l=20 blown mysql database on a desktop machine carry on with mysql or postgress.= I=20 use mysql on a production box, because it's already running mysql for some= =20 other apps. However, on this old laptop I'm using sqlite because this is a= n=20 asthmatic PIII laptop with rather limited resources. I don't need/want=20 desktop semantic tagging, GUI search, or any of the new KDE design philosop= hy=20 features and functions (find and egrep have served me nicely for years now,= =20 thank you). Kmail 3.5 was fine, stable and relatively light footed. It me= t=20 perfectly my needs. :-( > > The kmail-migrator --interactive also did not work. >=20 > It refuses to start again with an already existing kmailrc. You will need to restart the migration process. For this you will need to= =20 shut down nepomuk and akonadi. Then remove their respective config and db= =20 files. Then restart them and fire up kmail afresh. You'll have to be pati= ent=20 though, assuming the migration starts correctly this time. Read more here: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting If not, then remove their files all the same, restart them and proceed to=20 importing the mail directories from your Mail one at a time. They are usually imported in a kmail-import.0 type of folder. You can rena= me=20 that, or select any subfolders and move them where you want them. On every such physical move you will have to be patient. Small subfolders= =20 will move and the akonadi with resync its tables within a few seconds, but= =20 larger folders with thousands of messages will take ages to complete. After the whole import, sync, move, sync process has completed things will= =20 move smoother (only a few seconds delay when you open or access a large=20 folder). > > I had to change the location pointing to the local mail folders - I keep > > mine under ~/Mail. Then after pressing F5 on each folder akonadi > > scanned the respective mail directory and my stored messages showed up!= =20 > > :-) >=20 > You're lucky. I created a 'KMail Maildir' resource for the mail folder > that was used with KMail1 in KDE 3.5, and while the folder structure is > imported, I see no mails. Akonadi says it is syncing the folder I > clicked at, but it never finishes. When I drop a mail into a folder > (this workaround had been suggested to my on the KDE mailing list when I > did my own migration (and it worked)), I only see this mail, others > still do not show up. This is a game of patience. It helps if you imagine sloooowly ringing the= =20 neck of those devs who released this half baked piece of C.R.A.P. on us. =20 (Cannot Retail at Any Price). I suggest you try one move at a time and then wait until it finishes. =20 Completely. > Then I created a 'Maildir' resource. Some folders sync, but nothing > happens when I select the inbox. I restarted Akonadi, now there are some > 13,000 thousand mails in the inbox, and I can view them. The other > folders get populated after pressing F5, but it takes long until they > are actually shown. And switching the folders takes some seconds. Yes, there may be a couple of seconds delay between large folders, when kma= il=20 first starts. Fewer seconds lag after the first time. > So I started moving folders from the 'Maildir' resource to the default > 'Local Folders' Resource. Rather than simply changing the 'Local > Folders' resource path to the Works, but the inbox has some 40,000 > mails, and after over one hour only 4000 were copied to their > destination, so I logged out. > The next login, mysqld again eats 150 percent of the three CPU cores, > and two akonadi_agent processes take another 100, the migration is still > happening. At a rate of < 100 Mails per minute. So it will probably take > more than 7 hours until it's complete. I do not even know how to abort > this. I deleted the 'Maildir' resource, and the 'Local Folders' > resource, logged out an in again, and had to kill the mysqld process. > The 'Local Folders' resource is being recreated automatically by KMail2 > I guess, finally I pointed its directory to the original Mail directory, > and things start to work. At least KDEPIM stuff, the rest of KDE still > has its problems. Not all of my maildir ~/Mail folders were picked up. I had to import these= =20 manually as recommended in the Gentoo guide for the migration. > > The migration of the email account Settings was even less successful.=20 > > The settings for Sending transferred across, but the account settings > > for Receiving did not survive. Well, let me be more precise here. They > > did survive, as they were all still in the kmailrc file. I checked this > > against a back up. No matter, they didn't show up under accounts. >=20 > Nothing of this has been auto-migrated here. >=20 > > The IMAP4 accounts were less of a success however. I recreated them fr= om > > scratch, but no messages showed up under Inbox. Sent and Trash work > > fine. >=20 > At least this is working. >=20 > > Having ran out of time I was wondering if you came across such breakages > > and if so how did you fix them. >=20 > Personally, I have switched to Claws. It has its own issues, but that's > nothing compared to KMail2. But my sister is used to KMail, and so I try > to make it work for her. I recommend that you mask KDEPIM-4.7 with the packages kindly offered by th= e=20 gentoo devs: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kdepim-4.7-mask.txt I've upgraded KDE on two boxen, but masked KDEPIM-4.7 as recommended and ha= d=20 no problems so far. > > For now I have masked KDEPIM 4.7 on all of my remaining boxen. This is > > too messy to have to fix more than once, if I can fix it at all that is! > >=20 > > The only thing that's keeping me from mutt is the zillion shortcut > > commands that I need to learn ... old dog/new tricks and all that. >=20 > Claws is okay, except that it does not work with maildirs, the is some > import script or something to convert this to mbox format. > Thunderbird also is a decent mail program. I have tried Claws (although I did not like mbox) and found myself cursing= =20 after every other key press. I also tried T'bird and found it better than= =20 Claws, but worse than Kmail. It's not just keyboard short cuts, but also h= ow=20 it integrates with the address book, pgp and s/mime, etc. I started looking into getting used to mutt again. Not sure how I can modi= fy=20 its shortcuts, because some them are not intuitive enough for me and some a= re=20 duplicated/redundant. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart28813803.8ixJpJVpAm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk79wHUACgkQVTDTR3kpaLY6PACgyNQxJ/dJ+54sUO+uYOp+9Ui/ Y8UAnia0Zb4tGgHlf1lpFznjpFYX0ZZZ =Ln21 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart28813803.8ixJpJVpAm--