From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Rbn0C-0006zU-Mt for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:40:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59EAF21C1E3; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from km30706.keymachine.de (ns.km30706.keymachine.de [87.118.116.62]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A55421C04C for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29133 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2011 06:38:09 +0100 Received: from dslb-092-075-226-082.pools.arcor-ip.net (HELO grusum.endjinn.de) (92.75.226.82) by km30706.keymachine.de with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 17 Dec 2011 06:38:09 +0100 Received: by grusum.endjinn.de (Postfix, from userid 500) id 9D2161448D; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:34:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:34:54 +0100 From: David Haller To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] DVD Movie backups Message-ID: <20111217013453.GA15778@grusum.endjinn.de> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <4eebb2ff.l7gR1XAPWEpz0Rr4%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4eebb2ff.l7gR1XAPWEpz0Rr4%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Organization: What? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: c7d59314-28e4-4ca7-9a0d-c7bd06e93ae3 X-Archives-Hash: 68fa8d0baaa2a47b401109b453c78f25 Hello, On Fri, 16 Dec 2011, Joerg Schilling wrote: >This is interestingas some mkisofs users report that there are DVDs that look >as if there is a need to introduce negative padding between some files. There's DVDs that look (to e.g. lsdvd) as if there were ~60 Tracks of various sizes used, with a playing time of, say, 40 hours overall, breaking the Specs willfully. Of course, only e.g. 4 Tracks are the "real" tracks. Figuring out which tracks those are (e.g. playing the disc with xine, mplayer or vlc) and then extracting only those tracks with e.g. dvdbackup is the only possibility. Images etc. will be defective. Don't ask me how you create such interleaved tracks (e.g. tracks 20-35 would be various parts of a series episode but only one, say 27, would be the full track). I'd guess "negative padding" (at least in the nav-structures) might play a role there. Just this week I've had a DVD, where lsdvd just barfed. The image with k3b was broken. dvdbackup for single tracks worked. That's one reason I like to rent a disc before I buy a whole series. Actually, there's only one Movie-set that has broken (one or two out of 5) discs, most I own are standard conforming and some seem to not even bother with css. "Digital files cannot be made uncopyable, any more than water can be made not wet." --Bruce Schneier on `copy protection' schemes And I want to make backups of the discs I own. The less hoops I'm forced to jump through (with a rented disc), the more likely I am to buy something. There's a certain series (c.f. above) I quite like, but the DVDs are just plain broken. Won't buy. Period. -dnh, got to look up the publisher on above mentioned disc where lsdvd barfed ... ah: Cnenzbhag. I hadn't have them on my "publishes un-DVDs" list yet. Well, anyway, some publishers seem to start not to produce un-DVDs lately. Just keep sending rented disc after disc back as "broken" and asking for replacement ... -- >> Take two Gods. >Diagnostic. n. Someone who doubts the existence of two Gods. Makes sense. Every regular user of diagnostics that I know of only believes in Murphy. -- >>D. Holdsworth, >C. Suslowicz and Lionel