From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RYk7p-0000tZ-Sa for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:59:26 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 895C421C187; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B250A21C06A for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkat8 with SMTP id t8so2367129bka.40 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:57:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=O3HMxY3tRixvq3JdqAtOqZoENP2ZxWy2h0QrCOf0DAc=; b=vV+H+YvjIewAS3sthfjHBPAo8s9CmeDWFS48D4EqFglWaKj5q6dYS3N7wX793a5pXT /MYDaUflZXG8aNLHmWNLdlX9nUBf16fLGYd9aKFtnxruPP71cSM+uCkeOI7eni/1oQGt bbYdrqo9/VFHDYQVcm2lBENwNAYlJ9Vm6cWA8= Received: by 10.180.103.131 with SMTP id fw3mr7756653wib.57.1323374279789; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa. [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fg15sm9958682wbb.7.2011.12.08.11.57.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:57:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: Frank Steinmetzger , gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDEPIM-4.7.3 hits the stable tree ... brrrrr! Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:57:45 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.0.6-gentoo; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201112071912.23133.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <201112080647.24757.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20111208145152.GD13528@eisen.lan> In-Reply-To: <20111208145152.GD13528@eisen.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2846838.CarPG8cPpC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201112081957.57036.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 16b58739-170f-4d72-a7ce-8a4c9fcd3937 X-Archives-Hash: 69af227a0e930baab00f27d134d52dd8 --nextPart2846838.CarPG8cPpC Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday 08 Dec 2011 14:51:52 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 06:47:22AM +0000, Mick wrote: > > > > Following Alan's disastrous experience where he saw all his messages > > > > disappear before his eyes I am doubly cautious. > > > >=20 > > > > Has anyone tried the migration to 4.7 yet? > > >=20 > > > I installed my first 4.7.x kdepim on 30th of July. I was quite happy > > > with it. Migration went smooth and I only had to recreate my filters, > > > I guess because the filters=E2=80=99 target folders were now addressed > > > differently. > > >=20 > > > kdepimlibs-4.7.3 came on 4th of november. The only thing I remember > > > from the last weeks is that I was unable to read any mail. All I got > > > in KMail were revolving cirlces and =E2=80=9CFetching folder content= =E2=80=9D screens. > > > I didn=E2=80=99t lose any mail, as far as I can tell. But I was growi= ng tired > > > of Akondi even before that. So being unable to read anything finally > > > pushed me to mutt. ^^ > >=20 > > Oh dear! I better get prepared for learning all the mutt shortcuts the= n? >=20 > Hihi, well there are tons of alternatives. Despite my keeping distance fr= om > GTK for general use (except for the obvious, such as Gimp and Inkscape), > Thunderbird is very good (which I used before I switched to Linux). Its > handling of data was very stable and efficient, last time I used it. I > still have it installed in my old Windows and keep it up to date. >=20 > > > I don=E2=80=99t have _that_ many mails, at the time of my switching a= bout 13000 > > > or so, mostly in a few mailing lists. The average dev probably has > > > much more than that. But even with that number, I had more than 30 > > > seconds of additional full HDD load after login (once I removed the > > > mail resources, login time until idle went from 1:05 to ~33 seconds). > >=20 > > What?!! Each time you load the desktop/start kmail?! This can't be > > right! >=20 > Well, starting KMail is quite quick. But so it was before Akonadi times, > because KMail used the storage layer natively. >=20 > > > Plus, all mail files were individually duplicated in the Akonadi > > > folder... what gives? While I understand the reasoning behind Akonadi > > > and its potential, I do question the implementation. > >=20 > > I can't even understand the reasoning! Enforcing a database backend on= a > > desktop use case should not be the default solution for a PIM. >=20 > Well when it eventually works as imagined it=E2=80=99s quite nice, I gues= s. A > database =E2=80=9Ccache=E2=80=9D usually is meant to increase access spee= d, but they=E2=80=99re > not quite there yet. The benefit is that you can access the same > information from one single data source (like all your mails) from several > applications, such as KMail, or a plasmoid, or... uhm... well those two. > ^^ (how about a web service, or integration into other PIM apps) >=20 > > To me it seems we Gentooians don=E2=80=99t care much about social sharing= , semantic > desktops or data associations. We know where our files are and what they > contain, we want to control ourselves where our personal information is > stored. We want efficient environments that do what we want, not what the > devs imagine is the future of the desktop. >=20 > :D >=20 > Hehe, that sounds like a political manifesto. I don't care if it is - I would definitely vote for it! :p =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart2846838.CarPG8cPpC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk7hFsQACgkQVTDTR3kpaLYMDACeO/JwnalVUlCYelvOZzSW2CCz 7jgAnR0xzUMh1FY9DDpPnAEtlgp3GNdg =fQzD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2846838.CarPG8cPpC--