[gentoo-user] Is it possible for F5 to delete all contacts in Kmail?!!!

[gentoo-user] Is it possible for F5 to delete all contacts in Kmail?!!!

[Mick]

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Thankfully this didn't happen on my machine, but I have to fix this all the 
same ...

Is it possible to press F5 (the user thought that this would just refresh the 
content) while in the Kmail address book and as a result all but the current 
contact being deleted?
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible for F5 to delete all contacts in Kmail?!!!

[Florian Philipp]

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Am 15.11.2011 20:39, schrieb Mick:
> Thankfully this didn't happen on my machine, but I have to fix this all the 
> same ...
> 
> Is it possible to press F5 (the user thought that this would just refresh the 
> content) while in the Kmail address book and as a result all but the current 
> contact being deleted?

Nope, not here. Besides, F5 really is set to Refresh. I also cannot find
another shortkey for this and I doubt anyone would waste time to
implement it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible for F5 to delete all contacts in Kmail?!!!

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 15 Nov 2011 21:36:14 Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 15.11.2011 20:39, schrieb Mick:
> > Thankfully this didn't happen on my machine, but I have to fix this all
> > the same ...
> > 
> > Is it possible to press F5 (the user thought that this would just refresh
> > the content) while in the Kmail address book and as a result all but the
> > current contact being deleted?
> 
> Nope, not here. Besides, F5 really is set to Refresh. I also cannot find
> another shortkey for this and I doubt anyone would waste time to
> implement it.

Thanks for checking this.  Are you using std.vcf or the Kmail 'Personal 
Contacts' storage for your address book?

The kaddressbook that was hosed with pressing F5 was in std.vcf.  I'm not sure 
I understand the difference between these two akonadi resources, other than 
that the std.vcf is the old KDE format under .kde4/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf, 
while the Personal Contacts seems to be stored under .local.share/akonadi/ ).
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible for F5 to delete all contacts in Kmail?!!!

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:46:29 +0000
Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday 15 Nov 2011 21:36:14 Florian Philipp wrote:
> > Am 15.11.2011 20:39, schrieb Mick:
> > > Thankfully this didn't happen on my machine, but I have to fix
> > > this all the same ...
> > > 
> > > Is it possible to press F5 (the user thought that this would just
> > > refresh the content) while in the Kmail address book and as a
> > > result all but the current contact being deleted?
> > 
> > Nope, not here. Besides, F5 really is set to Refresh. I also cannot
> > find another shortkey for this and I doubt anyone would waste time
> > to implement it.
> 
> Thanks for checking this.  Are you using std.vcf or the Kmail
> 'Personal Contacts' storage for your address book?
> 
> The kaddressbook that was hosed with pressing F5 was in std.vcf.  I'm
> not sure I understand the difference between these two akonadi
> resources, other than that the std.vcf is the old KDE format
> under .kde4/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf, while the Personal Contacts
> seems to be stored under .local.share/akonadi/ ).

Yes, that's how it works - same kind of stuff in a different place.

There is something you must completely understand about current kdepim,
if you don't realize this you will suffer endless pain:

The developers are trying to be cute and clever and show off how l33t
they are. As a result, they break things. Badly.

As an example, there are warnings in .local.share/akonadi/ that you
must not manipulate a certain directory manually, as it is managed by
akonadi. It is totally possible that you made manual changes
(reasonable thing to do actually) and that F5 refreshes the address list
from whatever magic bullshit mechanism akonadi has going and just
trashed the address list changes you made. Yes, those devs have done
insane things of that order and released that code.

I'm not saying this is your problem or even that it still is that way -
I haven't used kdepim since version 4.4 when I spotted it was a classic
"second big project". As with all things, do your homework, see if the
code suits your needs, ymmv. 


-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible for F5 to delete all contacts in Kmail?!!!

[James Broadhead]

On 17 November 2011 08:56, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>

+1 for dropping kdepim. I used to love kaddressbook and kontact (but a
lot of that was enthusiasm about features that "were just around the
corner"). I found that I was having consistent problems keeping my
contacts between versions (fortunately, I had them all backed up as
vcards in svn), and a number of other annoying bugs which the KDE devs
ignored, and closed after a while.

I just uploaded all my PIM stuff to Google Contacts, which actually
adds a whole pile of functionality to other Google products that I
didn't know existed (Addresses of my friends pop up in Maps, for
example). Since I'm using Android, that made the most sense for me.

Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible for F5 to delete all contacts in Kmail?!!!

[Mick]

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On Thursday 17 Nov 2011 09:44:35 James Broadhead wrote:
> On 17 November 2011 08:56, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> +1 for dropping kdepim. I used to love kaddressbook and kontact (but a
> lot of that was enthusiasm about features that "were just around the
> corner"). I found that I was having consistent problems keeping my
> contacts between versions (fortunately, I had them all backed up as
> vcards in svn), and a number of other annoying bugs which the KDE devs
> ignored, and closed after a while.
> 
> I just uploaded all my PIM stuff to Google Contacts, which actually
> adds a whole pile of functionality to other Google products that I
> didn't know existed (Addresses of my friends pop up in Maps, for
> example). Since I'm using Android, that made the most sense for me.

Thanks for your replies guys,

I know that kdepim is ropey and following some bugs on the upgrade from 
KDE-3.5 I tried to wean myself off it by trying different mail clients.  I did 
not succeed.  Nothing came close to it for my needs and wants.

One day I'll spend some more time/effort to learn the shortcuts for mutt.  
Until then I'll have to be more careful with my backups and advise all of the 
users who depend on my services to do the same!

I did not manually edit anything on the addressbook in question (and the user 
in question would not know how to do that).  I am told that she just pressed 
the F5 button and bang!  All contacts gone in an instant!  To me this is 
rather catastrophic as a failure mode and I cannot categorise this software as 
anything better than amateurish.  Of course I can't code, so I get what's 
there for now ...
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible for F5 to delete all contacts in Kmail?!!!

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:01:44 +0000
Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> I did not manually edit anything on the addressbook in question (and
> the user in question would not know how to do that).  I am told that
> she just pressed the F5 button and bang!  All contacts gone in an
> instant!  To me this is rather catastrophic as a failure mode and I
> cannot categorise this software as anything better than amateurish.
> Of course I can't code, so I get what's there for now ...

I would *strongly* suspect the usual cause of such things - the user
did indeed do something that triggered the delete but has forgotten
doing it as they don't think it relevant.

However, the fact that kdepim just deleted stuff without so much as a
nag dialog is a bug in itself.

At least you didn't lose three years of mail like happened to me.

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com