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[217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eu16sm15236217wbb.7.2011.11.11.15.24.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:24:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Binary install distro Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:24:40 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.0.6-gentoo; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <4EBC1707.5030103@gmail.com> <CAK2H+ee0y3czXh_w_A35raoKQ6VcZa9XWRfZjEs2SRxo7xC6ig@mail.gmail.com> <j9k620$2ir$1@dough.gmane.org> In-Reply-To: <j9k620$2ir$1@dough.gmane.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1910202.Jrj3Nz5P6l"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111112324.42532.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 4cb23fda-4803-450e-b713-a67c06d704a5 X-Archives-Hash: 72a215baa196776ed6c76b85a582f326 --nextPart1910202.Jrj3Nz5P6l Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday 11 Nov 2011 22:02:40 Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2011-11-11, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote: > ><SNIP> > > > >> Now to teach him how to update the thing. > >=20 > > I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running > > Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. >=20 > I use Ubuntu occasionally, and it's always a teeth-gritting, > hair-pulling experience. For me, it's the most non-intuitive distro > I've ever used. And it is the "Ubuntu" part I can't grok, not the > Debian part -- I never had any problems with Debian. I ran Debian on > a server at home for years, and even created a Debian subset distro > for a product many years back. >=20 > > It wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the management of > > it seemed so different from any distro I'd run before that I didn't > > want to deal with learning it. >=20 > Exactly. Anytime you want to do something administrative, it's always > an ordeal unless you can just skip the "Ubuntu" stuff and do the > equivalent of editing /etc/network/interfaces (I never could get the > GUI network config thingy to work). >=20 > > Let's see how that does for you. > >=20 > > Again, remembering I didn't really give it much of a chance - I was > > running on a Power PC Mac Mini - two things that drove me mad were: > >=20 > > 1) The basic install didn't tell me what the root password was. >=20 > There isn't one by default. The first thing you do after an Ubuntu > install is always set the root password: >=20 > $ sudo bash > # passwd >=20 > The next thing you do is configure it to boot into text mode with all > the kernel messages visible. >=20 > Then you've got something that's almost tolerable. How do you that?!!! Pressing F2 or Esc on the Ubuntu GRUB2 splash just crashes the system. I=20 think I also tried editting the default GRUB2 file, but couldn't get it to = be=20 more verbose. Is there some trick I'm missing? =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart1910202.Jrj3Nz5P6l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk69rroACgkQVTDTR3kpaLZv+wCg79zSxekVYPl1e4pXe6qKCh/V SKYAn3CeoC/vKLsvVpNt3kUrT1V9ZwPL =ui9t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1910202.Jrj3Nz5P6l--