From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ROwdh-0006aE-Qg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:19:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31A7A21C08A; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBF321C040 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27so1233504wwf.10 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:18:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yxCIlGbMr4k2Wgtw2C+UkPPN15DbJcvnbs2qo902pfU=; b=XL8CvVPbA/X3wOn2UjFEw95hsWGYiEqdsDntJj8Ljfy6wbPe+xuKzBYH9yA/dHy7yI 6HuXav76N3NxdNL4SCr7GIQxpgpUR5CYBv2ro36WEtvFKzrHlebx3cn5gaLYrL8Ma+96 /+KjNgs1+p/1JCGakOOAPn+IkWZQwcK/DXBrw= Received: by 10.180.90.6 with SMTP id bs6mr15623326wib.63.1321039117379; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from rohan.example.com ([196.215.144.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v6sm7503004wiv.10.2011.11.11.11.18.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:18:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:18:31 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Binary install distro Message-ID: <20111111211831.68ab7c63@rohan.example.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4EBC1707.5030103@gmail.com> <4EBD3738.9090203@gmail.com> <4EBD4224.7070307@gmail.com> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 01c2077b-1cf1-40d2-a149-32692a0a9ac9 X-Archives-Hash: 9da0e8e08863964f872e937e61643938 On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:49:54 +0100 Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: > >> I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend > >> running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It > >> wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the management of > >> it seemed so different from any distro I'd run before that I > >> didn't want to deal with learning it. Let's see how that does for > >> you. > >> > >> Again, remembering I didn't really give it much of a chance - I was > >> running on a Power PC Mac Mini - two things that drove me mad were: > >> > >> 1) The basic install didn't tell me what the root password was. > >> > >> 2) All the management was done using sudo. > >> > >> I couldn't get past the idea that if something went wrong that > >> with no root password what was I supposed to do? Now, I was > >> absolutely sure at the time there had to be a way to set that > >> myself, maybe as simple as sudo passwd - root or something like > >> that, but I decided it just wasn't for me and tossed the machine > >> in the garage rather than deal with it! :-) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Mark > >> > > > > > I don't use sudo on my rig so it sort of annoys me. =C2=A0;-) =C2=A0 I = guess > > we have that in common. =C2=A0lol > > > > The update tool is GUI. =C2=A0That's why I think he can do that himself. > > =C2=A0A lot like winders in a way. =C2=A0Heck, if this works well and t= hat > > intfs thingy gets on my nerves, may use it myself. =C2=A0:-( =C2=A0 I m= ay > > have found my next distro. I'm not leaving yet. =C2=A0I'm going to give > > the inity thingy a shot, maybe two. After that, kill shot. > > > > Dale > > >=20 > I hate sudo, I never got the point in using it - and actually it is > one of the thing that makes Ubuntu annoying to me. I'm not the only > one, then! :D Then you must be using a single-user machine. Like your own laptop or desktop. sudo is absolutely necessary on any multi-user machine unless you like security holes. Instead of bashing sudo, it's better to find out what problem it is designed to solve, then determine if you have that problem. It does have a point, and a very valuable one too, you just seem to not have seen it yet. --=20 Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com