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[Lavender]

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Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I should do .
   
  
  ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------
  发件人: "Michael Mol"<mikemol@gmail.com>;
 发送时间: 2011年10月9日(星期天) 晚上9:40
 收件人: "gentoo-user"<gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; 
 
 主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?

  
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender <448463782@qq.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by those
>> modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device name and
>> its module name . For example,  there is a module named 3c59x.ko , I totally
>> don't know what device it present for ,
>
> This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added.
>
> cd /sys/module/<modulename>/drivers/
>
> And go from there
>
> lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question.
>
> For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for.
>
> $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers
> $ ls
> pci:ahci
> $ cd pci\:ahci/
> $ ls
> 0000:00:11.0  bind  module  new_id  remove_id  uevent  unbind
> $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0
> 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA
> Controller [AHCI mode]
> $
>
> So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller.

Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should
tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system.

find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' '
-f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g'

Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should help.

-- 
:wq

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Re: 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?

[James]

Lavender <448463782 <at> qq.com> writes:


> Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I should do .

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-tipsntricks.xml#livecd-kernel

Hello Lavender,

At the end of your last thread, I mentioned how to copy a kernel
from the boot/install media. The link about should get right
there (Section 2.8).

Once you get a booted kernel, then is just a matter of time
and effort until you get a target kernel to work. I always
keep at least 2 bootable kernels on any given system.


hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?

[Jonas de Buhr]

hey guys,

please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense.
can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads some
kind of trolling i don't get?

it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are ignored)
combines loads of annoying qualities:

- nondescriptive titles
- doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even
  subject changes
- no line-breaks
- difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk)
- problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored
- none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented

it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in
spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior
described above at least confusing?
anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake.

/jonas

Am Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:44:28 +0800
schrieb "Lavender" <448463782@qq.com>:

> Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I should
> do . 
>   
>   ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------
>   发件人: "Michael Mol"<mikemol@gmail.com>;
>  发送时间: 2011年10月9日(星期天) 晚上9:40
>  收件人: "gentoo-user"<gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; 
>  
>  主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build
> kernel?
> 
>   
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender <448463782@qq.com> wrote:
> >> Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by
> >> those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard
> >> device name and its module name . For example,  there is a module
> >> named 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it present for ,
> >
> > This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added.
> >
> > cd /sys/module/<modulename>/drivers/
> >
> > And go from there
> >
> > lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question.
> >
> > For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for.
> >
> > $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers
> > $ ls
> > pci:ahci
> > $ cd pci\:ahci/
> > $ ls
> > 0000:00:11.0  bind  module  new_id  remove_id  uevent  unbind
> > $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0
> > 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA
> > Controller [AHCI mode]
> > $
> >
> > So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller.
> 
> Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should
> tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system.
> 
> find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' '
> -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g'
> 
> Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should
> help.
> 

this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

[Jonas de Buhr]

Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200
schrieb Jonas de Buhr <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net>:

> it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help
> in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the
> behavior described above at least confusing?
> anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake.

no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that:
http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123

> 
> /jonas
> 
> Am Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:44:28 +0800
> schrieb "Lavender" <448463782@qq.com>:
> 
> > Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I
> > should do . 
> >   
> >   ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------
> >   发件人: "Michael Mol"<mikemol@gmail.com>;
> >  发送时间: 2011年10月9日(星期天) 晚上9:40
> >  收件人: "gentoo-user"<gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; 
> >  
> >  主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build
> > kernel?
> > 
> >   
> > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender <448463782@qq.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused
> > >> by those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the
> > >> hard device name and its module name . For example,  there is a
> > >> module named 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it
> > >> present for ,
> > >
> > > This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added.
> > >
> > > cd /sys/module/<modulename>/drivers/
> > >
> > > And go from there
> > >
> > > lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in
> > > question.
> > >
> > > For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for.
> > >
> > > $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers
> > > $ ls
> > > pci:ahci
> > > $ cd pci\:ahci/
> > > $ ls
> > > 0000:00:11.0  bind  module  new_id  remove_id  uevent  unbind
> > > $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0
> > > 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA
> > > Controller [AHCI mode]
> > > $
> > >
> > > So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller.
> > 
> > Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command
> > should tell you what driver is associated with every device on the
> > system.
> > 
> > find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' '
> > -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g'
> > 
> > Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it
> > should help.
> > 

Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote:
> Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200
> 
> schrieb Jonas de Buhr <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net>:
> > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help
> > in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the
> > behavior described above at least confusing?
> > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake.
> 
> no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that:
> http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123


Interesting!

Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as we 
understand the question asked.  Not everyone is blessed with good knowledge of 
the English language.

The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have similar 
problems.

The lack of netiqutte, well ... if I only I had a penny for every time that we 
have collectively or singularly asked people to respect it.  ;-)

Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would someone 
spam the list in this manner?  It doesn't make sense.  So I am led to believe 
that the peculiarities you mention are probably a cultural (or personal) 
issue.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

[Jonas de Buhr]

Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100
schrieb Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:

> On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote:
> > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200
> > 
> > schrieb Jonas de Buhr <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net>:
> > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to
> > > help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds
> > > the behavior described above at least confusing?
> > > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake.
> > 
> > no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that:
> > http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123
> 
> 
> Interesting!
> 
> Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as
> we understand the question asked.  Not everyone is blessed with good
> knowledge of the English language.

i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my
best to help as well.

> The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have
> similar problems.

right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;)
but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and
info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions?
it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the
usual way of solving problems is a cycle of "i am trying to do X
and receive error Y"->"hey, try Z"->"oh, now A happens"->"try B too"
etc.

> Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would
> someone spam the list in this manner?  It doesn't make sense.  

my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post
this comment in the first place.
what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using
the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as
far as reporting it.

> So I
> am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a
> cultural (or personal) issue.

possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't
go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with
english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right)
and how they react to "hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude".
not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious.

Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:08:19 +0200
Jonas de Buhr <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net> wrote:

> what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using
> the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went
> as far as reporting it.

Simplest possible answer:

Chinese internet cafe's that use NAT.

It only takes one regular to discover a halfway decent
Chinese<->English translation site that does mail, and suddenly the
cafe's entire regular customer base uses it.

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

[gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

[Matthew Finkel]

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On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jonas de Buhr <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net>wrote:

> Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100
> schrieb Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:
>
> > On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote:
> > > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200
> > >
> > > schrieb Jonas de Buhr <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net>:
> > > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to
> > > > help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds
> > > > the behavior described above at least confusing?
> > > > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake.
> > >
> > > no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that:
> > > http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123
> >
> >
> > Interesting!
> >
> > Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as
> > we understand the question asked.  Not everyone is blessed with good
> > knowledge of the English language.
>
> i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my
> best to help as well.
>
> > The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have
> > similar problems.
>
> right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;)
> but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and
> info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions?
> it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the
> usual way of solving problems is a cycle of "i am trying to do X
> and receive error Y"->"hey, try Z"->"oh, now A happens"->"try B too"
> etc.
>
> > Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would
> > someone spam the list in this manner?  It doesn't make sense.
>
> my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post
> this comment in the first place.
> what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using
> the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as
> far as reporting it.
>
> > So I
> > am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a
> > cultural (or personal) issue.
>
> possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't
> go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with
> english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right)
> and how they react to "hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude".
> not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious.
>
>
>
I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic just
seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam. It
definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to the other
suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you don't know what is
going on in their life and it may take a few days to respond. Just because
the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer
(following Alan's last reply).

-- 
Matthew Finkel

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:16:56 -0400
Matthew Finkel <matthew.finkel@gmail.com> wrote:

> I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic
> just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam.
> It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to
> the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you
> don't know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days
> to respond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we
> should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply).

Dealing with foreign users can be interesting, triply so if they are
not European/Caucasian.

I have about 150 or so technical users throughout Africa (Nigerians are
especially interesting) and their Support requests routinely end up in
spam folders. These are ISP employees, you'd think the mail lines would
work smoothly. 

Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the
many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures
it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior
(replies have to go through intermediaries). 

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the
> many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures
> it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior
> (replies have to go through intermediaries). 

Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:34:52 +0100
Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
> > Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe
> > the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some
> > cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to
> > a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). 
> 
> Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-)
> 
> 

Some of the citizens in AlansUserland believe that's the culture.

Honest guv, I swear, it wasn't my doing!



-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam

[Jonas de Buhr]

Am 12.10.2011 01:16, schrieb Matthew Finkel:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jonas de Buhr<jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net>wrote:

> Just because
> the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer
> (following Alan's last reply).

that was not my reason to assume it and i think i made that very clear.

>

[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?

[Michael Mol]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jonas de Buhr <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net> wrote:
> hey guys,
>
> please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense.
> can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads some
> kind of trolling i don't get?
>
> it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are ignored)
> combines loads of annoying qualities:
>
> - nondescriptive titles
> - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even
>  subject changes
> - no line-breaks
> - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk)
> - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored
> - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented

To me, the "Lavender's" messages read like someone is going through an
automated translation tool to get between English and their native
language. (In this case, Chinese)

"Anyone can afford ... ?" sounds like bad forced translation between
semantic idioms.

"Anyone can afford information about build kernel"
"Can anyone afford information about build kernel"
"Can anyone spend time helping about build kernel"
"Can anyone spend time helping me build my kernel"

That explains the punctuation (poor translation tool(!)) and nebulous
requests. His responses indicated he was reading what had been sent in
reply. His first reply and his second reply were closely related, and
when commands were offered that allowed him to find the exact
information he needed, he gave his third reply indicating he had what
he needed.

I'm using GMail as my email client, and threading and subject lines
showed intact for me until your "this is spam" message following the
one I'm replying to.

As for line endings, I can think of two possible reasons. The first
(and, I suspect, more likely) would be that Lavender is using an email
gateway that automatically translates between English and Chinese, and
the email gateway did not implement line wrapping (or did so poorly).
The second might be that Chinese email clients, frequently operating
with an ideogram langauge, don't need to line-wrap so frequently, so
Lavender's email client might be buggy in that regard.

>
> it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in
> spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior
> described above at least confusing?
> anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake.

I have no reason to believe it's fake. I'm reasonably sure it was
machine-processed, but I expect there was a human at the far end.

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?

[Jonas de Buhr]

Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:54:37 -0400
schrieb Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com>:

> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jonas de Buhr
> <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net> wrote:
> > hey guys,
> >
> > please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense.
> > can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads
> > some kind of trolling i don't get?
> >
> > it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are
> > ignored) combines loads of annoying qualities:
> >
> > - nondescriptive titles
> > - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even
> >  subject changes
> > - no line-breaks
> > - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk)
> > - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored
> > - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented
> 
> To me, the "Lavender's" messages read like someone is going through an
> automated translation tool to get between English and their native
> language. (In this case, Chinese)
> 
> "Anyone can afford ... ?" sounds like bad forced translation between
> semantic idioms.
> 
> "Anyone can afford information about build kernel"
> "Can anyone afford information about build kernel"
> "Can anyone spend time helping about build kernel"
> "Can anyone spend time helping me build my kernel"
> 
> That explains the punctuation (poor translation tool(!)) and nebulous
> requests. 

> His responses indicated he was reading what had been sent in
> reply. 
> His first reply and his second reply were closely related, and
> when commands were offered that allowed him to find the exact
> information he needed, he gave his third reply indicating he had what
> he needed.
> 
> I'm using GMail as my email client, and threading and subject lines
> showed intact for me until your "this is spam" message following the
> one I'm replying to.

interesting, so gmail is aware of the chinese equivalent of "Re" (回复)
but doesn't use the In-Reply-To: header correctly?

> As for line endings, I can think of two possible reasons. The first
> (and, I suspect, more likely) would be that Lavender is using an email
> gateway that automatically translates between English and Chinese, and
> the email gateway did not implement line wrapping (or did so poorly).
> The second might be that Chinese email clients, frequently operating
> with an ideogram langauge, don't need to line-wrap so frequently, so
> Lavender's email client might be buggy in that regard.
> 
> >
> > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to
> > help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds
> > the behavior described above at least confusing?
> > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake.
> 
> I have no reason to believe it's fake. I'm reasonably sure it was
> machine-processed, but I expect there was a human at the far end.

i agree that there is definitely a human at the other end. 
you raise some good points. the automated translation might even
trigger automated entries in the spam database.

but why use three names at the same time? still there might be an
explanation for it. 

as said before i meant no offense. im not 100% convinced, but your
explanation sounds reasonable, let's not make a lengthy discussion out
of it :)

thx for your insightful reply!

[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?

[Michael Mol]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jonas de Buhr <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:54:37 -0400
> schrieb Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jonas de Buhr
>> <jonas.de.buhr@gmx.net> wrote:
>> > hey guys,
>> >
>> > please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense.
>> > can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads
>> > some kind of trolling i don't get?
>> >
>> > it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are
>> > ignored) combines loads of annoying qualities:
>> >
>> > - nondescriptive titles
>> > - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even
>> >  subject changes
>> > - no line-breaks
>> > - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk)
>> > - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored
>> > - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented
>>
>> To me, the "Lavender's" messages read like someone is going through an
>> automated translation tool to get between English and their native
>> language. (In this case, Chinese)
>>
>> "Anyone can afford ... ?" sounds like bad forced translation between
>> semantic idioms.
>>
>> "Anyone can afford information about build kernel"
>> "Can anyone afford information about build kernel"
>> "Can anyone spend time helping about build kernel"
>> "Can anyone spend time helping me build my kernel"
>>
>> That explains the punctuation (poor translation tool(!)) and nebulous
>> requests.
>
>> His responses indicated he was reading what had been sent in
>> reply.
>> His first reply and his second reply were closely related, and
>> when commands were offered that allowed him to find the exact
>> information he needed, he gave his third reply indicating he had what
>> he needed.
>>
>> I'm using GMail as my email client, and threading and subject lines
>> showed intact for me until your "this is spam" message following the
>> one I'm replying to.
>
> interesting, so gmail is aware of the chinese equivalent of "Re" (回复)
> but doesn't use the In-Reply-To: header correctly?

The two replies I saw from him have these lines in their original headers:

Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Subject: [gentoo-user] =?gbk?B?u9i4tKO6IFtnZW50b28tdXNlcl0gQW55b25lIGNh?=
 =?gbk?B?biBhZmZvcmQgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gYWJvdXQgYnVp?=
 =?gbk?B?bGQga2VybmVsPw==?=

So the second one definitely came through worse than the first, but
(for whatever reason), GMail didn't signal a topic change. (Usually,
it's pretty good about that)

Maybe GMail was clever enough to pick up on something like
X-Reply-Hash and tie it to a thread. Dunno.

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