From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RBjCq-0001Zg-2x for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:21:28 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D48C21C0D5; Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A64DC21C059 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Oct 2011 08:20:25 -0000 Received: from e181229185.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO toxic.dbnet) [85.181.229.185] by mail.gmx.net (mp058) with SMTP; 06 Oct 2011 10:20:25 +0200 X-Authenticated: #351132 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ltf41/AUlvYTl+urUOlYterag8effiIaaMOGOK/ N8pity/0zZ8owk Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:20:23 +0200 From: Jonas de Buhr To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement (was: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?) Message-ID: <20111006102023.4471babe@toxic.dbnet> In-Reply-To: <201110060018.50015.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> References: <4E8AD6C4.7070901@gmail.com> <20111005162007.GA5820@badass.gateway.2wire.net> <20111005184721.01af0bda@toxic.dbnet> <201110060018.50015.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 88f760c4028cafd57a31033c71a3f2c0 Am Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:18:49 +0100 schrieb Peter Humphrey : > On Wednesday 05 October 2011 17:47:21 Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > > sometimes things indeed need to change in order to improve. > > I remember things being improved. While I was in my 50s I was > continually faced with youngsters' ideas for improving the company's > methods. Stupid, every one. When challenged, they couldn't say how > their proposed new "solutions" would lead to specified gains by > anybody, but the changes were forced through anyway. This isn't > get-up-and-go; it's I've-got-to-make-my- mark. i never said change equals improvement or change for the sake of change is a good thing. and i pointed out that i cannot judge this for grub2 since i don't know it. but the reverse is true too - rejecting every change just because its not "how we always did it" potentially keeps you from making important development. most of the "oh it's so weird"-whining often comes from just not being used to it. flip your door lock upside down - you'll hate it with passion for a week and then you won't even notice. flip it again and the process will repeat. at your age you should be able to look at things with a little more distance and insight instead of ripping statements out of context and insulting people. that said, even without context, that statement is still true. you just derived wrong statements from it using flawed logic. /jonas