From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R5Bx6-0007pC-4M for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:38:12 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D88021C10E; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B151021C11D for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 07:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so4874864wyg.12 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:37:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F3GO4EGYtfYyc/2TGZPdJSjaD6ynvUfeebeUNaEAMfw=; b=i8BQqSGpR+jIdZghXVVAUA5IYrzR9J2SWxn5sSdYfDS90MI0EYvDsR0FdPAmA6EUlX eUtZ2wb4hPSvIJKw51dSmjbZuo5TwVp2Fg1L4+IYdgkxbClLWyoIVPqzT1Z1C1Tt0cVb 1iPwgD9VPtLXz4Jy2oOjMIDDJUVCfPNGL/Fkg= Received: by 10.216.221.162 with SMTP id r34mr1270565wep.24.1316331428870; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rohan.example.com (196-210-153-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.153.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ev5sm20147780wbb.11.2011.09.18.00.37.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:37:02 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr Message-ID: <20110918093702.67c22cf1@rohan.example.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20110912150248.GB3599@acm.acm> <1728923.nQPHW4UTlG@eve> <1495175.Z7uWjMfsve@eve> <20110918010055.410f2ef4@rohan.example.com> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 4a37856507bd41f8c61be0a042e4f19d On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 19:31:31 -0400 Michael Mol wrote: > There are two principle things I dislike about D-Bus. > > 1) It doesn't support live upgrading of the daemon. We discussed the > reasons behind this several weeks ago, as I recall. Transparent > session control handoff is, of course, complicated, and nobody has > seen the work as worthwhile. If your 2nd objection changes, this one will probably get looked at. > 2) It comes with (or appears to come with) a Linux-centric (sometimes > even a Linux-only) view. I love Linux, and I would love to see Linux > grow and improve. I also use (and am comfortable with) Windows and > Android (which I would consider Not Really Linux) and other > platforms*. Attitudes and actions which push Linux as the One Ring > smack of 'Embrace, Extend, Extinguish'. dbus is a freedesktop project so will live or die by it's merits. Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself useful. Lucky for us, it doesn't obsolete anything else, just adds functionality to what is already there. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com