From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R3Lwm-0008A8-My for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:54:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5744521C1C7; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826FB21C162 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so182494wyg.40 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:52:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=SFFmbG7/1eO98r12xwNip53hghRy8oP6PfjuLSC98zA=; b=JJ/F7aKMKmWbvtHOBn5883kYd4LWq4v1/Y6TvPsyx5dha4gZPv40waTF9Yv7WpkDfl AFJgiz8xGvOIsbsoembuwce3RUPE6H+RHItBIuZ7DAjezkS3V0J5pUriFFCr9M9O+8EU kg6yS1nEcly1B4hDvFeCCtKWsAtik+5LJXcK0= Received: by 10.216.135.96 with SMTP id t74mr358909wei.98.1315893157379; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i11sm577805wbn.25.2011.09.12.22.52.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:52:25 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.39-gentoo-r3; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <1315787335.57212.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4E6DF707.3000305@kutulu.org> In-Reply-To: <4E6DF707.3000305@kutulu.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart9682353.crvrGYyLRg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201109130652.36911.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 333d6e0f0fe1de977c48770676277f40 --nextPart9682353.crvrGYyLRg Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday 12 Sep 2011 13:11:51 Mike Edenfield wrote: > On 9/11/2011 8:28 PM, Albert W. Hopkins wrote: > > On Sunday, September 11 at 18:54 (-0500), Dale said: > >> I think I saw it mentioned on -dev that some time shortly /usr > >> and /var > >> will be needed on / or you will need the init* thingy to boot. > >=20 > > Hmm, that doesn't smell right to me. What I think you may have heard is > > about /run. systemd and some other things are preferring to > > move /var/run to /run. The reason being is that /var does not have to > > be on the root fs. sysdemd needs /run early (before mounting > > filesystems) so the idea was to put /var/run on the rootfs, thus /run. > >=20 > > I don't think /usr should or ever will be required to be on the rootfs. > > That's just dumb. The reason we have /bin /sbin, etc. is so that /usr > > need not be on the rootfs. It doesn't make sense to change that well > > known/established notion. >=20 > Nope, Dale is exactly correct. If the upcoming changes to > udev make it into Gentoo unaltered and unscathed, it will > become necessary to have essentially your full system > available very early in the boot process -- at least as > early as when udev runs. This includes /usr, where I believe > the udev scripts and libraries are being moved, and anything > that any program in those scripts might access, which almost > definitely includes /var. >=20 > Any setup where only / is mounted when udev's device > population happens will become "unsupported" (if not > "impossible"). >=20 > The proposed alternative to a single huge partition is to > use an initramfs that mounts your separate /usr (and /var) > very early in the boot process. No! This is throwing a major spanner on all my boxen! Arrrrgh! :@ There's a lot of Gentoo users and I would imagine other Linux users who do = not=20 use initr* and still have a separate /var (because of logs, or mail, or new= s,=20 or PORTAGE_TMPDIR, etc.). I seriously hope that a Gentoo specific fix comes out soon and Fedora and=20 their devs can carry on this way. This M$Windows 'solution' looks more and= =20 more like major bad programming and is getting really really stupid! =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart9682353.crvrGYyLRg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk5u76QACgkQVTDTR3kpaLbLcACgjGDvbryX068Y3vii5uk9pq2O y14AoPhpnSogvmgAVg6xuZMHKLtV1t39 =W8l0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart9682353.crvrGYyLRg--