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From: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:37:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201109112037.10885.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E6D0470.5030006@gmail.com>

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On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 19:56:48 Dale wrote:
> Paul Colquhoun wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:24:06 PM pk wrote:
> >> On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote:
> >>> Can I slap whoever started this?  The more I think on this, the worse
> >>> it
> >> 
> >> Yes Dale, you have my permission! And while you're at it, slap him from
> >> me too! ;-)
> >> 
> >> It _may_ be this guy that's responsible for this crap:
> >> http://linuxplumbersconf.org/ocw/users/58
> >> 
> >> Also:
> >> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/16994
> > 
> > I've had a look at the stuff at those links, and some of what they link
> > to in turn, and had a bit of a think about it.
> > 
> > Looking at "initramfs" as a modern Linux replacement for the "bootable /
> > partition" of traditional Unix systems does make some sense, even though
> > I think it could be made simpler.
> > 
> > Fot those opposed to initramfs, would you also object to /boot being
> > 
> >    1) a manditory seperate partition
> >    2) required to be ext2 (or one of a *very* short list)
> >    3) having /boot/{bin,sbin,lib} containing local copies of the absolute
> >    
> >        minimum boot requirements (i.e. initramfs in a real fs)
> > 
> > On the other hand, most of the problem seems to stem from software
> > packages hooking into the early boot via udev rules, and not beiong
> > careful where they put the executables and libraries that they
> > reference.
> > 
> > Is udev (as it currently stands) really the best place for them to hook
> > into?
> > 
> > Could udev be split into 2 passes, early-boot udev that only does system
> > stuff (like mount filesystems out of /etc/fstab, setup keyboards& 
> > video), and late- boot udev where other applications can put in any
> > hooks they like, since the full system would then be available.
> > 
> > The late-boot udev may need to do a full rescan of everything that
> > early-boot udev found, but didn't have the rules for yet, but I'm sure
> > that the 2 passes could talk to each other and sort that out fairly
> > simply.
> > 
> > Or possibly just add a whole new service to use just for hooking software
> > packages into system events. Although this would probably end upneeding
> > to be a udev clone anyway.
> 
> I always have /boot on a separate partition and it is always ext2.  So,
> that is done.  I also have a 200Mb /boot partition.  It sometimes gets
> about half full but I could just clean out old kernels more often.  I
> could always make /boot larger too.

It seems that I'm gonna have fun with a 35M /boot soon (and no LVM of course).
 ;-)
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Thread overview: 231+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-18 18:59 [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot frares
2011-08-18 19:08 ` András Csányi
2011-08-19 12:42   ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2011-08-19 19:38     ` Francesco Talamona
2011-08-18 19:13 ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Mol
2011-08-19  5:33   ` Graham Murray
2011-08-19  1:44 ` Matthew Finkel
2011-08-19  2:27 ` Mark Knecht
2011-08-19 10:09   ` Mick
2011-08-19 13:12     ` frares
2011-08-19 13:41       ` Gregory Woodbury
2011-08-19 22:08         ` Dale
2011-08-20  7:04           ` Mick
2011-08-20  7:17             ` Dale
2011-08-20  8:29               ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-20  8:48                 ` Dale
2011-08-20  8:57                   ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-20 12:55                     ` Mick
2011-09-06 23:06                     ` Dale
2011-09-07  5:09                       ` William Hubbs
2011-09-07  5:24                         ` Dale
2011-09-07 17:23                           ` Dan Johansson
2011-09-07 17:52                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 18:09                               ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 18:28                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 19:07                                   ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 19:10                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 19:19                                     ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-07 19:24                                       ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 19:27                                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 22:54                               ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-07 23:04                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 23:39                                   ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08  3:23                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 10:11                                       ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 15:32                                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:24                                           ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:37                                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:03                                               ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:55                                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09  2:55                                                   ` Dale
2011-09-09 15:29                                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09  9:10                                                   ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-08 17:30                                       ` pk
2011-09-08 18:40                                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09  5:04                                           ` pk
2011-09-07 23:55                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08  3:30                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08  3:39                                       ` Dale
2011-09-08 14:51                                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 15:15                                           ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 15:40                                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 15:58                                             ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 16:11                                               ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 16:45                                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:11                                                   ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 17:22                                                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:05                                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:23                                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:43                                                         ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 20:48                                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:04                                                             ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 21:11                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:36                                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 23:23                                                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:34                                                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 11:35                                                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:29                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-08 21:44                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:06                                                               ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-09  8:06                                                                 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-09-09 10:03                                                                   ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-12  8:40                                                                     ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-09-12  9:18                                                                       ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-12 16:50                                                                         ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:31                                                               ` [gentoo-user] " Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-08 23:05                                                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:04                                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:40                                                       ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 20:56                                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:06                                                           ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 21:38                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:28                                                               ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 23:01                                                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 17:35                                           ` pk
2011-09-08 17:47                                             ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 18:11                                               ` pk
2011-09-08 19:01                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 19:40                                                 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-09  9:39                                                 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-08 18:41                                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09  5:18                                               ` pk
2011-09-08  7:59                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 15:08                                         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08  7:37                                     ` [gentoo-user] " Alberto Luaces
2011-09-08  8:17                                       ` Alberto Luaces
2011-09-08  1:37                                 ` [gentoo-user] " David W Noon
2011-09-08  2:49                                   ` Dale
2011-09-08  3:33                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08  8:09                                     ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 15:13                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 16:06                                         ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 16:34                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:01                                             ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 17:18                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:45                                                 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 19:00                                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 19:37                                                     ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 20:03                                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:57                                                         ` Michael Mol
2011-09-09  8:11                                                         ` Paul Colquhoun
2011-09-09  8:53                                                           ` Dale
2011-09-09  9:15                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10  1:25                                                               ` Dale
2011-09-10  1:32                                                                 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10  1:58                                                                   ` Dale
2011-09-10  7:30                                                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10  7:54                                                                       ` Dale
2011-09-10 10:00                                                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 14:59                                                                           ` Dale
2011-09-10 15:52                                                                             ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-10 16:34                                                                             ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 21:15                                                                               ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 21:28                                                                                 ` Dale
2011-09-10 22:35                                                                                 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11  9:37                                                                                   ` Peter Humphrey
2011-09-12  8:41                                                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12  8:40                                                                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12  8:37                                                                               ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12  8:55                                                                                 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-12  8:35                                                                             ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-10 17:33                                                                         ` William Kenworthy
2011-09-10 18:12                                                                           ` William Kenworthy
2011-09-10 18:21                                                                             ` Dale
2011-09-12  7:12                                                                         ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 12:14                                                                           ` Mike Edenfield
2011-09-12 12:28                                                                             ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 14:47                                                                               ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-12 15:29                                                                                 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-12 15:44                                                                                   ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 16:56                                                                                 ` Dale
2011-09-10  7:16                                                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10  7:56                                                                   ` Dale
2011-09-12  7:17                                                                     ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12  7:49                                                                       ` Dale
2011-09-09 11:35                                                             ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 12:46                                                               ` Mick
2011-09-09 16:44                                                               ` pk
2011-09-09 17:04                                                                 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 17:09                                                                   ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10  1:10                                                                   ` Dale
2011-09-10  1:01                                                                 ` Dale
2011-09-10 10:56                                                                   ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 15:52                                                                     ` Dale
2011-09-10 22:02                                                               ` Keith Dart
2011-09-10 22:51                                                                 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 23:40                                                                   ` Keith Dart
2011-09-11 11:59                                                                     ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 17:24                                                             ` pk
2011-09-09 17:53                                                               ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-10  1:15                                                                 ` Dale
2011-09-10  1:23                                                                   ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10  1:49                                                                     ` Dale
2011-09-10  7:17                                                                       ` pk
2011-09-10  7:36                                                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 10:24                                                                       ` Mick
2011-09-10 16:09                                                                         ` Dale
2011-09-10 16:19                                                                           ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 16:36                                                                             ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-10 16:50                                                                               ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 16:47                                                                             ` Dale
2011-09-10 21:28                                                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-11  8:22                                                                               ` Mike Edenfield
2011-09-11  8:54                                                                                 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-11  9:51                                                                           ` pk
2011-09-10 10:43                                                                   ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11  3:16                                                               ` Paul Colquhoun
2011-09-11  7:29                                                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-11 12:26                                                                 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 18:56                                                                 ` Dale
2011-09-11 19:37                                                                   ` Mick [this message]
2011-09-11 21:07                                                                     ` Dale
2011-09-11 21:46                                                                       ` David W Noon
2011-09-11 22:08                                                                         ` Dale
2011-09-12  1:44                                                                         ` James Wall
2011-09-12  8:12                                                                           ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 19:07                                                                           ` David W Noon
2011-09-12  7:45                                                               ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12  8:32                                                                 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-12  8:49                                                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12  9:07                                                                   ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12  9:13                                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12  9:34                                                                       ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 10:57                                                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-14  5:01                                                         ` Walter Dnes
2011-09-08 19:48                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:21                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:38                                             ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:46                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:25                                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 16:44                                     ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 16:56                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 18:05                                         ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 19:13                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:25                                             ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 20:42                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 22:33                                                 ` Mick
2011-09-08 22:39                                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 23:00                                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:26                                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09  6:22                                                         ` Mick
2011-09-09  7:35                                                           ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:51                                                 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 20:45                                               ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:32                                                 ` David W Noon
2011-09-09 11:41                                   ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 12:44                                     ` Dale
2011-09-09 14:02                                       ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10  1:20                                         ` Dale
2011-09-09 18:16                                     ` David W Noon
2011-09-09 19:57                                       ` Alex Schuster
2011-08-20 12:53                   ` Gregory Woodbury
2011-08-20 12:59                   ` David W Noon
2011-08-20 13:29                     ` Mick
2011-08-20 13:58                       ` Pandu Poluan
2011-08-20 15:32                         ` David W Noon
2011-08-20 14:22                       ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-19 13:48       ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-19 15:06         ` frares
2011-08-19 15:20           ` Alan McKinnon
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-18 19:17 frares
2011-08-18 19:26 ` frares
2011-08-18 19:42   ` Michael Mol
2011-08-18 23:29     ` Peter Humphrey

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