From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R2iiS-0002pj-5Q for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:00:52 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C073021C0C1; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.virtyou.com (mx.virtyou.com [94.23.166.77]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF6B21C01F for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from weird.wonkology.org (p5B277CEA.dip.t-dialin.net [91.39.124.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx.virtyou.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5BB139A00B for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:59:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:59:13 +0200 From: Alex Schuster To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot Message-ID: <20110911135913.37f6425a@weird.wonkology.org> In-Reply-To: <20110910164007.40ed14ff@dartworks.biz> References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <11342928.W3O2ONNTLv@tux> <4E69D406.9000909@gmail.com> <20110909133547.2cc7747c@weird.wonkology.org> <20110910150210.1734a29c@dartworks.biz> <20110911005107.15fa647a@weird.wonkology.org> <20110910164007.40ed14ff@dartworks.biz> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.5; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: b5d9d187500b5b328e63abd591b00034 Keith Dart writes: > === On Sun, 09/11, Alex Schuster wrote: === > > Interesting. What are the advantages? > > Mainly that it's simpler, as a bootloader should be. However it does > have some nice features, such as making nice looking, interactive > menus. You can also edit the config file by hand, if you need to, and > it's all contained on the boot partition. > > The biggest problem with grub 2 is it adds a dependency on having your > main root partition already mounted in order to configure it. That may > not be available. Also, when you learn extlinux then you know syslinux, > isolinux, and pxelinux already which helps when configuring boot > loaders for those other media. Thanks for the explanation. I like to learn, knowing how to use them might come handy some time. I already installed syslinux recently, I think that was necessary for the installation of systemrescuecd on USB. Which failed, after using the installer, the stick was still empty. No idea what went wrong, I did not dig further into this, I was too busy then. > > What I like most about Grub is the interactive shell. And that I don't > > have to run a command like I had to do with Lilo after installing a > > new kernel. > > If you need a shell, boot a minimal kernel and shell from a ramdisk. No > good reason to bloat a bootloader with that. I still like how I could make Grub boot a system even when I did not know on which partition it was. This happened a couple of times, like when I had multiple hard drives that changed their order. Tab completion or the find command were good to have then. And about the bloat... 450 K being used for Grub in /boot is okay for me. Which could probably be reduced further down to ~115K when removing stage2{.old,_eltorito} and support for other file systems than ext2. Wonko