From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R2L43-0003UO-2i for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:45:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C64A21C139; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.virtyou.com (mx.virtyou.com [94.23.166.77]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE2B21C0F0 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from weird.wonkology.org (p5B277D65.dip.t-dialin.net [91.39.125.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx.virtyou.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48F3339A00B for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:43:56 +0200 From: Alex Schuster To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot Message-ID: <20110910124356.1078b89e@weird.wonkology.org> In-Reply-To: <4E6ABA15.1000506@gmail.com> References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <4E69D406.9000909@gmail.com> <4E6A4BB6.9030002@coolmail.se> <13856018.s6LkxZphrp@pc> <4E6ABA15.1000506@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.5; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 6c96edabe672984d1bdfc6dc88882ae6 Dale writes: > I know one thing, BSD is secure as heck. I installed it once on a old > rig and typed the password in wrong during setup. I never could get > into that thing again. I had to start over. That's what you thought :) Normally, all you have to do is to boot in single user mode, this gives you a root shell without asking for a password. Unless you have changed console none unknown off secure in /etc/ttys to: console none unknown off insecure It will then prompt for a password, but even this will not help much. As long as you have physical access to a machine, you can simply boot it from a CD or via USB, mount the partitions and remove the password in /etc/passwd, or simply chroot and do whatever you want. To make it really secure, you have to encrypt the whole system. Which is fairly easy BTW. > lol That is why I chose > Linux in general. I want something that is secure enough that I don't > have to worry about some script kiddie messing with me. Just make sure to block or disable flash content when surfing the web. > BSD is one option I will be looking into if I move from Gentoo. After > all, they are fairly close maybe even a step up. Especially now. BSD is elegant, simpler, and has some nice features like a file system that can be checked in the background while being in use already. With the drawback of being quite slow compared to others. But I would miss many things. I think portage is much superior these days. Builds that continue when a package fails, or even parallel builds are not possible AFAIK. The driver situation is worse I believe, when it comes to graphics hardware. And I just read [*] that some KDE guys are rethinking whether they will support other operating systems than Linux for the plasma desktop, because it may not be worth the effort. Wonko [*] http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/08/thoughts-about-kde-plasma-on-non-linux-systems/