Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

[Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>]

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On Saturday 10 Sep 2011 08:36:59 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:23:42 -0400
> 
> Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
> > >> Am Freitag, 9. September 2011, 19:24:06 schrieb pk:
> > >>> On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote:
> > >>>> Can I slap whoever started this?  The more I think on this, the
> > >>>> worse it
> > >>> 
> > >>> Yes Dale, you have my permission! And while you're at it, slap
> > >>> him from me too! ;-)
> > >>> 
> > >>> It _may_ be this guy that's responsible for this crap:
> > >>> http://linuxplumbersconf.org/ocw/users/58
> > >>> 
> > >>> Also:
> > >>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/16994
> > >> 
> > >> OMG!
> > >> What a mess. udev treats all exit-codes except 0 the same.
> > >> That's so bad, I have no words for it.
> > >> Definitely not a developer I trust to do things the right way.
> > >> 
> > >>> PS. If things go "tits up" you may want to have a look at FreeBSD
> > >>> (or some other BSD). I'm quite sure they wouldn't put up with
> > >>> crap like this... I know I will investigate my options at least.
> > >> 
> > >> Agree, FreeBSD is really a fine OS.
> > >> 
> > >>> Best regards
> > >>> Peter K
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks for the links,
> > >> regards,
> > >> Michael
> > > 
> > > I know one thing, BSD is secure as heck.  I installed it once on a
> > > old rig and typed the password in wrong during setup.  I never
> > > could get into that thing again.  I had to start over.  lol  That
> > > is why I chose Linux in general.  I want something that is secure
> > > enough that I don't have to worry about some script kiddie messing
> > > with me.
> > > 
> > > BSD is one option I will be looking into if I move from Gentoo.
> > >  After all, they are fairly close maybe even a step up.  Especially
> > > now.
> > 
> > Doesn't Gentoo have a BSD target? The problem here is with udev, which
> > doesn't apply to BSD, AFAIK. Gentoo/BSD might be a good direction to
> > go.
> > 
> > Also, where does FreeBSD's kernel stand, with respect to device
> > drivers?
> 
> There is a BSD target on Gentoo, but I don't know too much about it (I
> just use regular parts on my installs). It seems to suffer from lack of
> manpower, starting up and dying down occasionally. Which is a shame as
> it has huge potential but Linux grabs most of the limelight.
> 
> Driver support is excellent. At least on server grade hardware
> everything I've ever bought just works, but I can't comment on desktop
> hardware.

I've flirted with Slackware before I came over to Gentoo and the reason I 
chose Gentoo is because it gave me more freedom to built and configure an OS 
exactly as I wanted it.  I was at the time thinking of trying BSD with 
portage, but when I was keeping an eye on it there was this start/stop 
development as Alan mentions and loads of packages were unstable for yonks or 
missing completely.  This made me decide to stay on Linux.

I don't think we should give up completely yet.  Perhaps we need to lobby a 
bit more effectively (Can we email directly the dev(s)? Where do they live? 
Ha, ha!)

PS.  Dale please don't leave!  There'll be no mammoth threads without you and 
who are we going to rely to trash the credibility of packages - HAL springs to 
mind!  Come to think of it, given HAL's demise can you also please have a go 
at udev?  You never know ...  ;)
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Regards,
Mick

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