From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-127861-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1R1kul-0004aR-6m for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 20:09:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C06D021C3A7; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 20:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCE521C251 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 20:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf25 with SMTP id 25so302299wwf.10 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tMMkxFzGiHISst9PETs+jMQWRYq75p+p6eHD836AT1g=; b=eoWwQh+nbkLiHrga7cOIHEHvp3qPnrbkkI4S3KvhdhpiUJ6CI+qjNt4tvcydiDSrRp WnS2qe8bHBjj1YKWY7PZ4Oqkk5DZJSPnJYuI8igzc+r6tJUHpIqNvAj6mSDSAe0dsu6D ScvjGoaERbUqA9Mqk0Gu3VtIBS1Hlx31OAtPk= Received: by 10.227.57.77 with SMTP id b13mr1192632wbh.96.1315512342755; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rohan (196-210-153-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.153.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id et17sm5382497wbb.0.2011.09.08.13.05.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:05:36 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot Message-ID: <20110908220536.55dd3798@rohan> In-Reply-To: <12534676.jn0Id4Zse9@pc> References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <4842477.AF29R6J79c@pc> <CADPrc8047KkveLDc91Fq__mQA-=8kwghEpPYPr9byGd5JNGt=A@mail.gmail.com> <12534676.jn0Id4Zse9@pc> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 65f8e67174a655fb0c6d66e80c1fa48e On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:11:04 +0200 Michael Schreckenbauer <grimlog@gmx.de> wrote: > > Then design the correct solution and implement it. If it's > > technically sound, it will prevail. I think it's a rather > > complicated problem with a non trivial solution, but the code is > > there if you feel like give it a try. > > Where did I write, that I am in the position to write such a beast? > I only take the freedom to name this a design flaw in udev. > It needs things from userspace, which are not yet available at the > point it requests them. An initramsfs is a workaround for this, not a > proper fix. If that is the argument from the udev devs you just quoted, then I do not understand it at all. Why can there not be a restriction that udev may only run code in the traditional / space (i.e. it will not attempt to run code in the /usr or /home spaces)? Device nodes are a root function; root is the only user that should dictate how device nodes are created; root is the only user that can normally write to / and thereby create udev's rules and rulesets. In what valid way does access to /usr become something that udev may be required to support? Not arguing with *you* here Michael, just wondering about the validity of the position you quoted -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com