From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R1kbl-0002ui-B6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:49:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA84621C234; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97CA21C0CF for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf25 with SMTP id 25so285230wwf.10 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:48:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2kwrct4EMvOoXtn0Hd27YHok8rYg7YTrw5AKrRpRJDs=; b=tmeaBbQX8CpTxW2B0QEo/6eTiqTmCmwIVcXuhUNLhq6l8AigDhVWv6cM8f0+yj4mKZ qdGWSPO+X3JpSsZsSogW1QWlXcFafPzgNSlja9fLGvvMC1OABIzHOQzv1ygm2rPddghX yduunUVgPARf7eVnBwxDsT1q5HwjUy7QPfBmc= Received: by 10.227.147.130 with SMTP id l2mr1148688wbv.60.1315511322845; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rohan (196-210-153-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.153.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gd6sm5336404wbb.1.2011.09.08.12.48.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:48:36 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot Message-ID: <20110908214836.014d6adc@rohan> In-Reply-To: References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20110908023729.45d1b985@karnak.local> <4495743.s0RYfxWcgT@pc> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 5dac78fd8ff36c75ae057b7290424373 On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 11:13:58 -0400 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > > Have you *ever* thought about machines, that are not x86 or x86_64? > > Here's an intersting read: > > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/72769 =20 >=20 > No, I haven't thought about them, because I don't use them. What it > has to do with anything? Linux runs on many many many more arches than just x86 and amd64. IIRC it's about 29 in total. Do you agree that the needs and requirements of all those other arches might be important to everything else? You keep mentioning "it will all work if you just use an initramfs". Did it occur to you that that statement is the entire problem and demonstrates the problem nicely? I do not have an initramfs, do not need one, see no need to have one and have not yet seen a valid technical reason for why having one is ideal. My gentoo systems do not run binary distros, I have no need for a generic mechanism designed to cope with any hardware Fedora might happen to find itself booting on, hardware that the devs have no idea of when they compile their distros. I, on the other hand, already know everything I need to know about my hardware for the purposes of booting, running udev and building a valid kernel that fits my needs. Tell me again what it is that validly requires me to switch to some new way of doing things? --=20 Alan McKinnnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com