From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QwLQD-0001ok-Pu for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:55:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83E1221C4D1; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E892C21C4CB for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so1640229wyg.40 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:54:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=wUdVPqBbG5zlBYoDJIKC0zdMxZEBGiSvDdVMJ0QFP/s=; b=FhIYiL1qgJPrphofq4lO2MH0Lsfn+uLdKi0/TpT5DQQgnfxAhK9CNPB/1TyPB7ITRS Tccme7C9Az9WVFvua5Bs/NjWdxfYbAMK+YIIrLiBmgI9TfKgOrkciAWuI8Qb/UiIL6E7 Upc4OaeNEgC6d/Ujby25IbI6MyUObM8JDTJ8Q= Received: by 10.227.113.132 with SMTP id a4mr95125wbq.21.1314222865004; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id el9sm1196381wbb.7.2011.08.24.14.54.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Akonadi loses mails Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:54:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.39-gentoo-r3; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <1804777.EmZhrvXnVp@nazgul> <1719362.9qoSu4EJhB@pc> In-Reply-To: <1719362.9qoSu4EJhB@pc> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart9741673.m6vhuc1TQ5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201108242255.09047.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: adbe8e38718d2447b4fa06fe35455bc8 --nextPart9741673.m6vhuc1TQ5 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday 24 Aug 2011 21:53:09 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2011, 22:11:48 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > > Then blow up the repo so this POS will never again see the light of > > day. > > I'm trying to migrate away from kdepim. Nothing else out there imports > > KDE folders >=20 > They are maildirs, sort of, aren't they? > ~ $ ls .kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox/new/ > {2f2c8b47-dc21-4a7a-a0c4-1f0f6a223264}=20 > {ef61aa1a-f38f-40a7-99b1-6573bb12afa5} Are you sure that these maildirs cannot be accessed exactly as/where they a= re=20 with other mail clients that read maildir? I have had no problem accessing= =20 and reading mine with mutt. Also, you have the Folder/Archive Folder command on the menu - would that h= elp=20 you to access messages with another mail client? > > so I use my usual trick of running a local imap server, > > dragging mail trees into it and when the new mail client is started, > > everything is right there. > >=20 > > Akonadi/kmail2 silently destroys the mail when you attempt this. >=20 > That's really bad... If it really does this .... then it is worse than just "bad"! O_O However, the sync of your offline mail folders with IMAP may be happening i= n=20 two steps: 1. When I send a message from Kmail it immediately shows up in my local sen= t- mail folder. 2. If I sync with the IMAP server the message disappears from the local =20 folder! OK, no need to panic now ... although I'm getting nervous. 3. Sync again and the message now shows up again in my local folder. Phew! Could this be happening with your local IMAP set up too and you haven't rea= lly=20 lost your messages? > > I did a few tests, copied small folders, contents of other folders, > > etc and satisfied myself it all worked nicely. Then dragged and > > dropped nice big chunks of mail tree into the IMAP folders. The mails > > appear in the kde view, but THEY ARE NOT ON DISK ANYMORE. What I am > > seeing is the akonadi cache, and sooner or later that will expire. >=20 > F..k! Indeed, unless the local messages have been moved over to the IMAP server a= nd=20 will show up again in the local client (and disk) once you resync with the= =20 server - as I describe above. I haven't checked my local Mail directories = on=20 the fs to see what happens to a message (physically) when it disappears=20 temporarily from a local directory in Kmail. > > There was no warning, no dialog, no notification. Just a pile of mail > > disappeared. Akonadi/nepomuk/kmail/virtuoso/soprano/strigi didn't do > > it's usual stunt of observing that my mouse pointer had moved and > > consume 200% of cpu at load 11 for 30 minutes while it reindexed > > everything. It appears to have just chucked 2GB of pim data away. >=20 > Check your .xsession-error for SQL-Errors. I had a ton of these and had to > reconfigure my MySQL-Server to manage the requests it got from > kmail/akonadi/whatever. Don't remember the details though. >=20 > > Need I mention that NOT chucking pim data away is it's primary design > > goal (or should be). > >=20 > > Now finally after 3 years, I understand what all the other ex-KDE > > users are on about - this is a stinking pile of bloatcrap and a > > solution to a problem that actually does not exist. >=20 > I really like kde4. But this PIM-stuff... I don't get it. >=20 > > To say that I'm pissed off is putting it mildly. > > Tomorrow morning I will decide if KDE4 itself is to be the next > > casualty. The funny thing is that other than the Konqueror/Dolphin, Kmail and K3b=20 applications I don't really use KDE at all. If this behaviour is true the= =20 first thing I would do is double the frequency of my backups! o_O I'll keep my fingers crossed that you haven't really lost all your messages= =20 because of some unbelievable and catastrophic Akonadi bug, please let us kn= ow=20 what happens. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart9741673.m6vhuc1TQ5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk5VczwACgkQVTDTR3kpaLaKvwCg5g+VLodCpKgV8Wlxe8rl68yu k38Anip3tXkjhdStW1vF5OVaIAi5JaUm =odgj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart9741673.m6vhuc1TQ5--