From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QrUBl-0001XD-A2 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:16:41 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D2BB21C10A; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43E7121C069 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Aug 2011 12:15:31 -0000 Received: from p548507A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO gmx.net) [84.133.7.162] by mail.gmx.net (mp051) with SMTP; 11 Aug 2011 14:15:31 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20088476 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+SNV5lXi+S3ZvKPXWjOSo6wZrsbTP6iPV/wu73Jy XjzZLXeokmYmII Received: by gmx.net (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 Meino.Cramer@gmx.de; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:15:32 +0200 From: meino.cramer@gmx.de To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Zynaddsubfx connected to Rosegarden WITHOUT Jack? Message-ID: <20110811121532.GG22501@solfire> References: <20110809191342.GC6003@solfire> <16839968.2UE5nfVbuL@pc> <20110811110413.GF22501@solfire> <1988294.BD1aErNLyz@pc> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1988294.BD1aErNLyz@pc> User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (Linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 178e42e9819721af7509462be5ab0804 Hi Michael, I will try (again) to be a friend of Jack (NOT "Daniels" ;) )... What I dont understand: Why all this hassle with Jack if Rosegarden has the ability to connect directly to Zynaddsubfx without any other gadget (see Studio->Manage Midi Devices, start Zynaddsubfx first)??? And if instructed so, why does this dialog still pops up and reminds me of a non existing Jack connection? I tried the masked version 11.06 of rosegarden: The same effect. I removed the "jack" USE-Flag from make.conf temporarily and rebuild rosegarden: No change. Ok, I will try jack...again...sigh. Best regards, mcc Michael Schreckenbauer [11-08-11 14:00]: > Hi Meino, > > Am Donnerstag, 11. August 2011, 13:04:13 schrieb meino.cramer@gmx.de: > > Hi Michael, > > > > Thank you for your help ! :) > > > > Here are the versions: > > media-sound/rosegarden 11.02 > > media-sound/zynaddsubfx 2.4.1 > > media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit 0.118.0 > > looks ok to me. No idea, why it doesn't work for you. > > > I did a aconnect -lio, which says: > > > > client 0: 'System' [type=kernel] > > 0 'Timer ' > > 1 'Announce ' > > Connecting To: 15:0, 128:0 > > client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=kernel] > > 0 'Midi Through Port-0' > > client 28: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 3-0' [type=kernel] > > 0 'VirMIDI 3-0 ' > > Connecting To: 128:0 > > Connected From: 128:3 > > client 29: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 3-1' [type=kernel] > > 0 'VirMIDI 3-1 ' > > client 30: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 3-2' [type=kernel] > > 0 'VirMIDI 3-2 ' > > client 31: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 3-3' [type=kernel] > > 0 'VirMIDI 3-3 ' > > client 128: 'rosegarden' [type=user] > > 0 'record in ' > > Connected From: 0:1, 28:0 > > 1 'sync out ' > > 2 'external controller' > > 3 'out 1 - General MIDI Device' > > Connecting To: 28:0 > > > > > > Then I started rosegarden, which - as expereinced before - pops up > > a dialog, saying: > > > > The JACK Audio subsystem has stopped Rosegarden from processing audio, > > probably because of a processing overload. An attempt to restart the > > audio service has been made, but some problems may remain. Quitting > > other running applications may improve Rosegarden's performance. > > > > (no jackd was running) > > > > When clicking [OK] the dialog disappears only to take a very very short > > rest an return again and again and again.... > > > > In one of these short tiemes of peace and slumber I open the > > preference dialog and switched off jackd transport, quit rosegarden > > and start it again only to play another fresh match between me and > > this damned dialog... ;-/ > > Looks like rosegarden cannot work with pure alsa. I did not know this. > There's seq24 in portage, which seems to be a step sequencer that works > without jack. You could try this one instead of rosegarden. I don't know > anything about it though. > > > How can I prevent to scratch my skin by the roses of this garden over > > and over again.....? > > We could try to solve your problems with jack :) > I recommend qjackctl for jack-server handling. > How do you start it? What use-flags are set for it? > Another option is to try the versions from the pro-audio overlay (that's what > I use for rosegarden, jack, ardour and some other audio related stuff). > Did you try other synths with jack and rosegarden? Maybe there's a bug in > zynaddsubfx. You could try eg hydrogen to test this. > > > Best regards, > > mcc > > Regards, > Michael > > > Michael Schreckenbauer [11-08-11 12:12]: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Am Donnerstag, 11. August 2011, 11:13:21 schrieb meino.cramer@gmx.de: > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > I had * experiments with jack and nothing works... > > > > Sometimes there was no connection at all, sometimes after a > > > > short time rosegarden crashes and/or reports taht the connection > > > > has gone, and so on.... > > > > > > this is strange. It simply works for me (tm). > > > > > > > May be I has simply combined the wrong things... > > > > > > What versions did you try? (jackd, rosegarden...) > > > > > > > I have no midi hardware in the sense of keyboards, external > > > > synths and such. > > > > > > I see. > > > > > > > What I want is to set up a melody in rosegarden and to play > > > > it via Zynaddsubfx. > > > > > > That's what I was thinking :) > > > > > > > A midi step sequencer (not sure if this this correct terminus > > > > technicus, though) were also fine... > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > I think, aconnect (part of media-sound/alsa-utils) is the tool you want > > > to try. > > > Start both rosegarden and zynaddsubfx, then use aconnect -lio to see, > > > what in- and out-ports were created on your system. After that use > > > aconnect to connect the rosegarden out-port with the zynaddsubfx > > > in-port. > > > http://alsa.opensrc.org/Aconnect has some details. > > > I never tried this for myself, so I have no practical experience with > > > it. > > > > > > > best regards, > > > > mcc > > > > > > Hth, > > > Michael > > > > > > > If this will become too OT simply use my PM :) > > > > > > > > Michael Schreckenbauer [11-08-11 10:52]: > > > > > Hi Meino, > > > > > > > > > > Am Donnerstag, 11. August 2011, 03:02:33 schrieb meino.cramer@gmx.de: > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > > > thank you for your info ! :) > > > > > > What do I need for a midi connection (sorry, I am > > > > > > at the very beginning of exploring these kind of > > > > > > tools and jack is everywhere... ;) ) > > > > > > > > > > do you have midi-ports in your soundcard? In some cases they are > > > > > implemented as 5-pol Din plugs (MIDI-standard plugs), in other > > > > > cases > > > > > they are implemented via the gameport. Most built-in > > > > > soundhardware has none. > > > > > If you have those ports, the most simple (but not best) solution > > > > > is to connect midi in with midi out, have rosegarden play > > > > > through midi out and the synth listen to midi in. > > > > > Afaik(!) alsa has virtual midi-ports, you can use, if you have > > > > > no hw > > > > > ports (and which would be more elegant to use), but I have no > > > > > experience with them. May I ask, why you don't want to use jack? > > > > > I use it for everything in my studio and I am very happy with > > > > > it. There's a reason jack is everywhere in this area :) > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > mcc > > > > > > > > > > Hth, > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Schreckenbauer [11-08-11 02:45]: > > > > > > > Hi Meino, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Dienstag, 9. August 2011, 21:13:42 schrieb meino.cramer@gmx.de: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be this is a RDQ(tm) (real dumb question), > > > > > > > > but.... > > > > > > > > Is it possible to connect rosegarden and > > > > > > > > ZynAddSubFX > > > > > > > > without using jack ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you could use a MIDI connection. But imho jack is the > > > > > > > way to go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for any help in advance! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > mcc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hth, > > > > > > > Michael >