From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QdK0j-000090-LX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 10:34:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BFAB21C0D1; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AA921C0C6 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB891BC013 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:33:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.476 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.476 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.123, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xZxgZpZgcxSx for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.muc.de (colin.muc.de [193.149.48.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18A361BC003 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 42530 invoked by uid 3782); 3 Jul 2011 10:33:12 -0000 Received: from acm.muc.de (pD951B2A7.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.178.167]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 12:33:11 +0200 Received: (qmail 2850 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Jul 2011 10:31:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:31:14 +0000 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Powering off Windows XP, crashing NTFS with a Live CD. Message-ID: <20110703103114.GA2739@acm.acm> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) From: Alan Mackenzie X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 7bc6811d66c9c89db05d5a70a9374051 Hi, Gentoo. There's been a cock and bull story on comp.os.linux.setup and I'm wondering about some of the details. Mainly, I'd like some education, please! The story, in essence: (i) Windows XP is running, with a normal NTFS filesystem(s). (ii) Power off without a proper shutdown. (iii) Start again with a Linux Live CD (distribution not specified). (iv) This corrupts the NTFS journal(s). (v) It is now difficult to start Windows. OK. My questions: o - Do live CDs actually mount filesystems on HDDs? o - If so, would the start-up actually write anything to a partition? o - Would this actually try to mount an NTFS filesystem? o - Given that Linux's NTFS doesn't (?yet) do journaling (see kernel docs), would the driver not detect the presence of a journal and leave well alone? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).