From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QZs5V-0006oG-Pr for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07FD61C125; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (82-69-83-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9667A1C125 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from digimed.co.uk (yooden.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.6]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C8E98047E for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:06:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:06:00 +0100 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE? Message-ID: <20110623230600.0a4b2b7c@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4509993.1vgHhyACcR@nazgul> References: <2869451.8C6Z2vDv6d@nazgul> <20110622235837.079e09c3@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <4E02E469.1000708@darkmetatron.de> <4509993.1vgHhyACcR@nazgul> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9cvs27 (GTK+ 2.24.5; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/tTP9Jt_EmG+FV1ehLw8Hkrj"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 29395d9fe1554ff7dd05b6c5a5fa4f21 --Sig_/tTP9Jt_EmG+FV1ehLw8Hkrj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:38:58 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 23 June 2011 08:59:53 Sebastian Be=C3=9Fler did opine thusly: > > b) it breaks the way portage displays his informations. Without > > autounmask the display of emerge shows what he is going to do. With > > autounmask it shows what needs to be done. =20 >=20 > That is probably the most evil of all your reasons. There's an old dev=20 > joke about The Law Of Unintended Consequences, and it applies here -=20 > portage is now suddenly doing something new and 180 different from=20 > what it used to do. The normal response if "WTF?" followed by lots of=20 > indignation Ah, the old "we do it that way because that's the way it's always been done" argument. Yes, it is different, yes, it may be confusing when you first encounter the change - but that doesn't make it bad. > > c) it is a big change that came wihout any warning Apart from the elog messages? > > d) it is an automation, and because of that a red flag for any "real > > gentoo user" :-D What are you talking about? The default setting only displays the changes that need to be made, there is no automation. You need to enable a setting, one that only an idiot would enable without adding --ask too, before anything is automatically written to a file. > I agree, it's all bad. Here's the change: Old way: Portage complained about a flag or mask setting that needed to be changed. You changed it and tried again. Portage complained about another change it needed. Rinse and repeat until either all requirements are satisfied or you give up in disgust. New way: Portage gives you a list of all the changes that need to be made and lets you either make them yourself or tells you about an option to have it do it for you. I thought even Gentoo users believed in letting the computer do all the tedious works, otherwise they'd be running LFS. --=20 Neil Bothwick UNILINGUAL: American. --Sig_/tTP9Jt_EmG+FV1ehLw8Hkrj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk4DuMgACgkQum4al0N1GQMsIQCgp5oxQjI436yfmEPnvLXIS3sp ujcAmgL7OdrV1IE+O6XYCUpxj5DnKV1+ =LL9l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/tTP9Jt_EmG+FV1ehLw8Hkrj--