From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QTJcF-0003Mu-8S for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:08:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 30EEF1C0D2 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E201C060 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so3345188wyi.40 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:24:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=C4/2CRYYcRMkSeHYRf1TwR3JA16ac4KePGBPKmQEeCc=; b=dagnTDeRyLRN8RYdAAtDjfAIEDahvLEMAxtCFqBH2ICPUSxGByx4LB9ZXeVuRNG6+U 2SkAZyCdvJBFWAEWvMKRcf6GICnpASn+L3yltb8nmPvgTRriO2WgT9vvyMeldxZicyeX nRRl3BPHy+fWuARFWdMY+5M3pdVVIzvvRnNY0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=m1p+lbH8XVvwfe1s3SenId7G5PIkccsFwFZ/fQ/GdfBo8RqXw020B84Pq4tX52bzF3 H3TP4fZMIGj0iJwgmKAONDiqNlKyaBcalm9cE3/HfsDI/BWqsr9FdmQy5qGiQDvwjNWd lQXpsiwCnH1vBjUxWKifMamr3nEJhuJvLh3pg= Received: by 10.227.37.14 with SMTP id v14mr4154662wbd.25.1307301870459; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fl19sm512906wbb.32.2011.06.05.12.24.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:24:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:25:07 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38-gentoo-r6; KDE/4.6.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <20110605195959.4497920a@karnak.local> In-Reply-To: <20110605195959.4497920a@karnak.local> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4502592.o2sR0nYOjU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106052025.08369.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 37ae000cd862004fee7cb086e247b127 --nextPart4502592.o2sR0nYOjU Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday 05 Jun 2011 19:59:59 David W Noon wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:10:02 +0200, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] > Threads changing Was: OT: website design: >=20 > [snip] >=20 > >Oh, so when it gets broken, I need to find the message before that to > >see where it got messed up. Sorry to use the technical term "messed > >up" but it fits rather well. lol >=20 > Okay, this is my second follow-up to this message, and things are > becoming much clearer in my mind and somewhat more complicated in > reality. >=20 > The message to which I am replying has the following header lines: >=20 > Message-ID: >=20 > X-Original-Message-ID: <4DEAB868.6040001@gmail.com> >=20 > My first reply has these two header lines, the first of which should be > part of the thread formation process used by a good MUA: >=20 > References: > > > > > > >=20 > X-Original-References: > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > The X-Original-References: line has the correct message id as the last > one in the list. This absolutely correct, which means that Claws-Mail > is doing the right thing. >=20 > The References: line has some really weird replacements for the ones > that were originally in the message I submitted. Unless list messages > are being assigned different message id's for different distribution > mechanisms (SMTP/POP3 and NNTP), this means the list server is broken. > This would be a third, and more pernicious, source of thread breakage. >=20 > In my previous reply to this message, I changed the Subject: line > slightly: I removed the "Was OT: website design" tail. This caused the > thread to break in my MUA too. In turn, this implies that Claws was > "wallpapering over the crack" by rejoining the thread using Subject: > and Date: headers to put the messages into chronological sequence > within Subject: text grouping. I suspect other MUAs are doing the same, > which is why the problem is not perceived more widely. >=20 > I now need to change my subscription details so that I receive messages > by email, as well as through Usenet. This will then tell me if message > id's are the same across delivery mechanisms or different. >=20 > Are we all confused enough for this weekend? ... :-) Ha, ha! I'm more than others it seems! Also have a look at gmane. Some of your responses (and Indi's) are broken. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart4502592.o2sR0nYOjU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk3r2BQACgkQVTDTR3kpaLapUwCfertzGN5pMLc3Fw/WZb6DMgVj L0AAoMankGJdx2lRzhSFhAodJp0uOXQo =JANz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4502592.o2sR0nYOjU--