From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QTIeG-0005Ko-Es for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 19:06:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1F2B1C0A1 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E741C033 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 18:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so3314424wyi.40 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=WisO6zJ3+YW+prql4Aoy+otJelUCnyx+LLqwlbDO/2U=; b=ghNr/bZnXCv31Yhg1BBvKTNg45CYA8PIE0SpCA9CMfQoBWGiIR+3rqzMjeBCw33Jb1 sY1gPIV7Pwih7XBE8SP96Y1/o5Z+rkBrko8FkotqtINCXNT/rp5wJsZ6AlFMXKLxTR6F LwtyzYVqbwHhO1IrIlZybrhzW6eam20vTiahE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=hrLy/hwi7GiwTmpaSOYgcGxpHVcE+g/SPkuilG7KnfphHsf7RdmNW3rIBETKeq4oYE ZhEKZgJUgCrkm7SXaouy3GbynqKkEOoUzBt9QjEeiOtWTowohVrHOwlasy1hly3YRb28 DjrWiPiQwEzeHXbAbeyUYnLBGL26PbLmqtgoE= Received: by 10.216.68.2 with SMTP id k2mr1526988wed.90.1307297668294; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 11:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex2sm2352824wbb.48.2011.06.05.11.14.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 11:14:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:14:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38-gentoo-r6; KDE/4.6.2; x86_64; ; ) References: <20110605164819.0b013841@karnak.local> In-Reply-To: <20110605164819.0b013841@karnak.local> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart35342516.qEHRPU6ecX"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106051915.06514.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: f2cfce15970eced232853cb1937a8b9f --nextPart35342516.qEHRPU6ecX Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday 05 Jun 2011 16:48:19 David W Noon wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:00:01 +0200, Mick wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: >=20 > Threads changing Was: OT: website design: > >David W Noon wrote: > [snip] >=20 > >> I hope all is clear now. > > > >... as mud! > > > >This reply of yours (unlike your previous) is shown as a new thread in > >Knode, not as a threaded reply to Dale's message. :@ > > > >PS. I'm responding using Knode and news.gmane.org as an NNTP server, > >to see what difference this may make. >=20 > Well, here are some interesting header lines from my message to which > you are replying: >=20 > Message-ID: >=20 > References: > > > > > >=20 > X-Original-Message-ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local> >=20 > X-Original-References: > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > The X-Original-Message-ID: line is a rewrite of the original Message-ID: > line Claws-Mail assigned when I wrote the message. The Message-ID: > line is the replacement generated by the bofh.it list server. These > both look quite kosher. I am getting a headache! O_O This is what Knode is showing as header references in your message that I=20 thereafter responded using Knode and news.gmane.org: Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail =46rom: David W Noon Newsgroups: gmane.linux.gentoo.user Subject: Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:22:00 +0100 Organization: Luton Operatic Society Lines: 64 Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local> [1] References: Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=3DPGP-SHA1; [1] As you can see the Message ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local>=20 shown on Usenet is different to the Message-ID: which you mention above, but the same with your X-Original- Message-ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local>. The Usenet headers do not show any X-Original-References: in your message, = at=20 least not in my Knode. The email headers also do not show any X-Original-References: at least in m= y=20 Kmail. :( > Now, when we look at the References: and X-Original-References: lines, > we see that the list server has rewritten the message id's of all the > messages referred to earlier in the thread. I find this a little > strange, as it seems that the message id's sent to Usenet differ from > the ones sent via email. I'm not entirely sure that this rewriting is a list server action and wonde= r=20 if it has something to do with your fetchmail setup ... > If we now look at the innards of your message, the one to which I am > currently replying, we see this: >=20 > References: > > > > > > >=20 > X-Original-References: > > > > > > <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local> >=20 > The last message id in your X-Original-References: line has used my > original message id, not the one from the Message-ID: line generated by > the Gentoo list server. This should not cause problems, as the better > mail and news readers should only use In-Reply-To: and References: > header lines for the initial threading. >=20 > I should point out that I always post by SMTP to > gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, and never through an NNTP server (not > even my own). This means that you should not see my original > Message-ID: line, except after it has been rewritten and replaced by > the list server. My Knode reply was via news.gmane.org, but all my other messages (inc. this= )=20 is to gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org. > So, why is KNode using my original message id for its References: line? >=20 > Could you please look at the Message-ID: and X-Original-Message-ID: > lines in my previous message and compare them to those I posted above? I've done that as I'm showing above. I've also compared the email and news= =20 message headers of my previous response through Knode: Email headers: Message-ID: References: = =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local> and News headers: Message-ID: References: = =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local> Hope this helps somehow ... =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart35342516.qEHRPU6ecX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk3rx6oACgkQVTDTR3kpaLZM2wCgyIOt8V1zFrWV/6sFDRV43ic5 QJQAmQFgPyTBvoo5ErvMrqpPa9Pet0rq =3d14 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart35342516.qEHRPU6ecX--