From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QTG63-0003xj-Fg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:22:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B12B1C04D for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from karnak.local (cpc2-lutn10-2-0-cust603.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com [81.97.90.92]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6D31C00A for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by karnak.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D2F3003 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:48:27 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at karnak.local Received: from karnak.local ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (karnak.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MksG5KJVuuZP for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:48:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from karnak.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by karnak.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0C43002 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:48:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 16:48:19 +0100 From: David W Noon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design Message-ID: <20110605164819.0b013841@karnak.local> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Luton Operatic Society X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/RdW7Vd7B/LiFiAnoqyRKaX."; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: fe73f7c4776a59dbcfbacdb81728d42a --Sig_/RdW7Vd7B/LiFiAnoqyRKaX. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:00:01 +0200, Mick wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design: >David W Noon wrote: [snip] >> I hope all is clear now. > >... as mud! > >This reply of yours (unlike your previous) is shown as a new thread in=20 >Knode, not as a threaded reply to Dale's message. :@ > >PS. I'm responding using Knode and news.gmane.org as an NNTP server, >to see what difference this may make. Well, here are some interesting header lines from my message to which you are replying: Message-ID: References: X-Original-Message-ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local> X-Original-References: The X-Original-Message-ID: line is a rewrite of the original Message-ID: line Claws-Mail assigned when I wrote the message. The Message-ID: line is the replacement generated by the bofh.it list server. These both look quite kosher. Now, when we look at the References: and X-Original-References: lines, we see that the list server has rewritten the message id's of all the messages referred to earlier in the thread. I find this a little strange, as it seems that the message id's sent to Usenet differ from the ones sent via email. If we now look at the innards of your message, the one to which I am currently replying, we see this: References: X-Original-References: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local> The last message id in your X-Original-References: line has used my original message id, not the one from the Message-ID: line generated by the Gentoo list server. This should not cause problems, as the better mail and news readers should only use In-Reply-To: and References: header lines for the initial threading. I should point out that I always post by SMTP to gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, and never through an NNTP server (not even my own). This means that you should not see my original Message-ID: line, except after it has been rewritten and replaced by the list server. So, why is KNode using my original message id for its References: line? Could you please look at the Message-ID: and X-Original-Message-ID: lines in my previous message and compare them to those I posted above? --=20 Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwnoon@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* --Sig_/RdW7Vd7B/LiFiAnoqyRKaX. Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk3rpUgACgkQc9/LpQ70v4/2XQCfR/R9NOg4TNDiVcLXw8bq/+u5 zW4AniUV3+f5S0iF9SqwSHvbeI1EJmE6 =FbG0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/RdW7Vd7B/LiFiAnoqyRKaX.--