From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QTC9h-00038I-St for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:10:10 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 220D21C1A3 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C951C01B for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so2634502wwj.10 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:35:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=tQcAlIxsnmIlyMyVa2jd6A4i8Em55alFIn2vesRZWYw=; b=t8m3ZSDmuL0Q4Smc8W2ZAsiTO/0QK+1zrCsXUKb53emyQTBCd6FAmncW1gUzhJC9vz FGnumqAfY2W7IgMl42IEdXcvdzcj2CVDM6jDW2utVlgUn7g1d988MR7OJvlgE4GXXPsj 1+vXvXyTm3SAxn2/VGzMAEZf8zbNhGEWrh5JE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=WnR9rx/Qf8z0T2BE9ksGhG27ZRCIgxEcaaqOTxWjaZvtmXO4oTDkzpWlXfEvhTcPD0 NCPeJgM0G7VJ/T2jaE1SH/YBqhOcIMpfQckUpuSeWoixVuI56ZX52BOv5tCshuvjvteI /0t64wqqBebWgeyzRZdEhD981aQopUe0a0wig= Received: by 10.216.145.130 with SMTP id p2mr1346142wej.58.1307273712881; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-183-215.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.183.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l5sm1735143weq.33.2011.06.05.04.35.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 04:35:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 13:34:37 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.39-ck; KDE/4.6.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <61A321C6-5D7C-49CE-B87B-3E4180958D22@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <201106051146.50170.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <20110605104337.GA30857@gaurahari.merseine.nu> In-Reply-To: <20110605104337.GA30857@gaurahari.merseine.nu> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106051334.37352.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 569ddecc57a62a41c4df4c7ea443925f Apparently, though unproven, at 12:43 on Sunday 05 June 2011, Indi did opine thusly: > > I see room for a KDEPIM fork from the 4.4 codebase in maintenance mode > > that does not add deep features. > > > > > > Thanks, Alan. Of course kmail is out of the question, as it requires a > ginormous application framework be built (and rebuilt weekly, it looks > like). > > I got pretty fed up with wasting time fooling with anything qt, > to the point it's now officially banished entirely from my systems. > That decision alone has saved me hours of extra work updating (and > subsquent repairing of the inevitable fallout) per week. > > For a long time I built vlc with qt4 (it's very convenient when you're > exhausted and just want to play a video), but finally got sick of having > to rebuild it every time the qt guys change anything (which they seem to > do about every two hours). Now I just use nvlc and cvlc instead. > > Since I started building vlc without qt I go weeks without having to > rebuild it. > > It's too bad, really. Potentially, qt4 and kde could totally rock. > I don't suppose the corporate shenanigans with Nokia and Microsoft > have helped, either... > > Of course, I am using ~x86. It might be less hectic on stable... A victim of "release early, release often"? :-) It's the price we pay on Gentoo with rolling upgrades - ebuilds for older versions get swept clean so unless you are prepared to maintain code yourself you need to rebuild often. x86 is better, but still not free of it. Binary distros can shield their user from all that (while exposing them to a different set of equally annoying problems...) I don't see a real problem with Qt/Nokia/MS though. I predict a lot of platitudes from that soul-less monstrosity but no real progress. Meanwhile, KDE can fork Qt anytime they feel like it (if they haven't already). Maintenance won't be hard - Qt is mature with a defined roadmap so we can skip the "argue about the design for 12 months first" step as being already done. I would have like to see Qt running on lots of embedded devides though.. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com