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From: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:41:42 +0100
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On Sunday 05 Jun 2011 12:17:08 Indi wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 01:01:22PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 June 2011 06:43:37 Indi wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 11:46:49AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > > Apparently, though unproven, at 23:59 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi
> > > > did opine
> > > >=20
> > > > thusly:
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:44:30PM +0200, Sebastian Be=C3=9Fler w=
rote:
> > > > > > Am 04.06.2011 23:10, schrieb Indi:
> > > > > > > Every single GUI MUA I ever tried would lock up and become
> > > > > > > unresponsive at times when dealing with IMAP.
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > I use Thunderbird and IMAP for 3 years now and in all that time
> > > > > > became TB never unresponsive. So this point seems to have
> > > > > > improved since your testing.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > That's good to know, thanks.
> > > > > I'm unlikely to switch from mutt (due in part to so many macros a=
nd
> > > > > customizations accumulated the last couple of years), but am alwa=
ys
> > > > > keeping an eye out for those I support.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Maybe I'll put the next person who complains about evolution on
> > > > > thunderbird and see how they do with it...
> > > >=20
> > > > Evolution just sucks, all the time. The only feature that sets is
> > > > apart is the Exchange support, and it's precisely that which crashes
> > > > is. We enabled POP/IMAP on Exchange and non-Outlook users use that.
> > > >=20
> > > > Thunderbird - I itried this a while back when KMail-4.5.9999 pissed
> > > > me off extremely. Capable enough except it does something weird with
> > > > it's internal indexing - shows there's mail in folder, click the
> > > > folder and it decides there isn't mail after all. S simple this, but
> > > > a
> > > > deal-breaking annoying one.
> > > >=20
> > > > Mutt - my networks guys use this on a dedicated mail server just for
> > > > them
> > > > (networks guys really are special) and they have no issues at all. 2
> > > > of them are hard-core crazy and choose pine instead. The only
> > > > problem with pine is finding who is supported and maintaining it
> > > > lately (as repine)
> > > >=20
> > > > Claws is fast, very fast. I didn't like the way it dealt with mail
> > > > accounts and enable/disable them quickly and easily.
> > > >=20
> > > > KMail was always the best of the lot for me. It read and composed
> > > > mail, it had all the features of a pine/mutt and shows it in a GUI.
> > > > No weird bling-bling (it *could* do HTML mail but you had to jump
> > > > through a hoop first) and made sensible use of the extra screen
> > > > space and all the information that could be shown. But in the last
> > > > year, I don't know so much anymore. KDEPIM has a "corporate sponsor"
> > > > which I take to mean "works like Outlook". It's two whole minor
> > > > releases behind KDE and they don't have a incremental feature set
> > > > they can release for the interim. And then there's that text-search
> > > > aspect that kills Akonadi.
> > > >=20
> > > > I see room for a KDEPIM fork from the 4.4 codebase in maintenance
> > > > mode that does not add deep features.
> > >=20
> > > Thanks, Alan. Of course kmail is out of the question, as it requires a
> > > ginormous application framework be built (and rebuilt weekly, it looks
> > > like).
> > >=20
> > > I got pretty fed up with wasting time fooling with anything qt,
> > > to the point it's now officially banished entirely from my systems.
> > > That decision alone has saved me hours of extra work updating (and
> > > subsquent repairing of the inevitable fallout) per week.
> > >=20
> > > For a long time I built vlc with qt4 (it's very convenient when you're
> > > exhausted and just want to play a video), but finally got sick of
> > > having to rebuild it every time the qt guys change anything (which
> > > they seem to do about every two hours). Now I just use nvlc and cvlc
> > > instead.
> > >=20
> > > Since I started building vlc without qt I go weeks without having to
> > > rebuild it.
> > >=20
> > > It's too bad, really. Potentially, qt4 and kde could totally rock.
> > > I don't suppose the corporate shenanigans with Nokia and Microsoft
> > > have helped, either...
> > >=20
> > > Of course, I am using ~x86. It might be less hectic on stable...
> >=20
> > funny - last qt update did not require any rebuilds.
> >=20
> > I wish I could get rid of gtk. Now THAT is a mess.
>=20
> Yes, gtk also sucks but I find it far less work far less often
> than using qt, and I've got a selection of custom themes that
> help mitigate the ugliness.
>=20
> If I were driven strictly by aesthetic concerns qt and kde4
> might be my choices, as they can be extremely pleasant to look
> at. Heh, reminds me of my ex -- he was very pleasant to look at
> (and a huge amount of constant maintenance work) as well. ;)
I think that your problem is that you are running ~arch and this comes with=
=20
frequent updates. These days I'm running stable and my qt, kde or OOo upda=
tes=20
are quite infrequent (like twice a year or may be less).
I have to admit though that now the mutt can work as a multi-function clien=
t I=20
am tempted to reinstall it and give it a another go ...
=2D-=20
Regards,
Mick
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