From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QTAOW-0003Io-Va for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 10:17:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F6EC1C0E3 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 10:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C231C057 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 09:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so3106204wyi.40 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 02:47:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=sKt6zZfvkO2cfXac8qqI83xeq4hpTM6XopOHu+DU5FU=; b=btZUe8EXo+Fh3y9bMIGwSk+X5ycIYcGYFtAJqgAunVtENufvnWGgl/GFq7SMxHObUd J9iq4DrtAuX3TEKu/I6Es8omPqw/ecmb4lhSMGmrEwf09X/yA6zEIDGSYcy2sCvEPBMF odlFpgQ+e9Ii2a6KW5cA+ebkBMFOZp8pvMUl8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=T8LLrC7HW7/nWUY+l3vErWBcsEbkbqAnsQGBf/ylKPlc57bHCchJMQ6iJ3+VYC4YU2 LI7jdbVPbn9DOZjEjSmDPEBWfPuSla82IIWjJ10IAZeCwz6BXH6xT414naHWs4x+1LBZ GOn/ydXTow7Ng46GjX01hTvAy5W7YRwandAj4= Received: by 10.216.240.12 with SMTP id d12mr3655889wer.8.1307267245679; Sun, 05 Jun 2011 02:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-183-215.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.183.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g2sm1693583weg.38.2011.06.05.02.47.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Jun 2011 02:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:46:49 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.39-ck; KDE/4.6.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <61A321C6-5D7C-49CE-B87B-3E4180958D22@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <4DEAA73E.20707@darkmetatron.de> <20110604215931.GB11409@gaurahari.merseine.nu> In-Reply-To: <20110604215931.GB11409@gaurahari.merseine.nu> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Message-Id: <201106051146.50170.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 87905f936338440448dbefe7667f0dc6 Apparently, though unproven, at 23:59 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did = opine=20 thusly: > On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:44:30PM +0200, Sebastian Be=C3=9Fler wrote: > > Am 04.06.2011 23:10, schrieb Indi: > > > Every single GUI MUA I ever tried would lock up and become unrespon= sive > > > at times when dealing with IMAP. > >=20 > > I use Thunderbird and IMAP for 3 years now and in all that time becam= e > > TB never unresponsive. So this point seems to have improved since you= r > > testing. >=20 > That's good to know, thanks. > I'm unlikely to switch from mutt (due in part to so many macros and > customizations accumulated the last couple of years), but am always > keeping an eye out for those I support. >=20 > Maybe I'll put the next person who complains about evolution on > thunderbird and see how they do with it... Evolution just sucks, all the time. The only feature that sets is apart i= s the=20 Exchange support, and it's precisely that which crashes is. We enabled=20 POP/IMAP on Exchange and non-Outlook users use that. Thunderbird - I itried this a while back when KMail-4.5.9999 pissed me of= f=20 extremely. Capable enough except it does something weird with it's intern= al=20 indexing - shows there's mail in folder, click the folder and it decides = there=20 isn't mail after all. S simple this, but a deal-breaking annoying one. Mutt - my networks guys use this on a dedicated mail server just for them= =20 (networks guys really are special) and they have no issues at all. 2 of t= hem=20 are hard-core crazy and choose pine instead. The only problem with pine i= s=20 finding who is supported and maintaining it lately (as repine) Claws is fast, very fast. I didn't like the way it dealt with mail accoun= ts=20 and enable/disable them quickly and easily. KMail was always the best of the lot for me. It read and composed mail, i= t had=20 all the features of a pine/mutt and shows it in a GUI. No weird bling-bli= ng=20 (it *could* do HTML mail but you had to jump through a hoop first) and ma= de=20 sensible use of the extra screen space and all the information that could= be=20 shown. But in the last year, I don't know so much anymore. KDEPIM has a=20 "corporate sponsor" which I take to mean "works like Outlook". It's two w= hole=20 minor releases behind KDE and they don't have a incremental feature set t= hey=20 can release for the interim. And then there's that text-search aspect tha= t=20 kills Akonadi. I see room for a KDEPIM fork from the 4.4 codebase in maintenance mode th= at=20 does not add deep features. --=20 alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com