From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QSpAS-000141-VD for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 11:37:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F21561C001; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7951C001 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so1442063gxk.40 for ; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 04:35:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=aa3wNQc/zHR1fMLb9elbCAAfoAWuFUMRCpioBxD/N6U=; b=RHqSEqnzEnWfzg70lDxURZbWBzm5QsqeIyzLlh21AQmv7AHH0PQ8CocaNh2sVsUtMu nd9PAJUOoQVxWs9N/OWUBQH8/LuSIw6ikkKp94E+M/Gm1BzlS9H9ySGT8EJKhrRuXgWC sSJjDZCheRLhuJy9UZ3T1uvDWjIZHTMOFgL7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; b=gkhBXzjY6Ogb8olLvKD5t1jx8ZnmC8MHwy9glJuyAdDMjoiVmvtGmD3viB+6w3phqr eGbv54BeSuZfxnfbWG1Q4+3Ck/XRC8pIe/zWtDXTbzJaIyMZtQERsVdPLuEnykj38xNt kzcb3BLMpWux1otqKPf7AnhLJskWRcA2fnjec= Received: by 10.151.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr2679304ybi.224.1307187324025; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 04:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaurahari.merseine.nu (adsl-72-152-83-64.asm.bellsouth.net [72.152.83.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a21sm922416ybf.15.2011.06.04.04.35.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Jun 2011 04:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:35:10 -0400 From: Indi To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome? Message-ID: <20110604113509.GA4200@gaurahari.merseine.nu> References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: fc9a0078d7b633366861147495e5bddb On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 05:10:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote: >=20 > Part of my post that you chose not to quote was "I'd be the first to ad= mit that Macs have flaws." >=20 > All desktops / UIs / operating-systems are a compromise. I don't believ= e any of them are perfect. >=20 > Last time I used Linux on the desktop (in ernest) I had some dreadful p= roblems with KDE crashing or failing to open under certain circumstances,= which I found frustrating and impossible to overcome. That was several y= ears ago, and no-one on the mailing list or Usenet group I tried was able= to help; I don't think I knew at the time to try the KDE mailing list.=20 > That's not a problem with Linux, it's a problem with kde. That's once of the reasons I strongly dislike kde4 BTW -- with kde3 most=20 windows users were impressed and easily switched. As you found (and as we= see=20 daily on this list), kde4 has yet to achieve that level of carefree stabi= lity. People whose first experience with *nix involves kde4 are bound to come away relieved they have windows to go back to!=20 > Currently the biggest thing holding me back from giving Linux another g= ood chance to prove itself to me is basically that Mac OS X is "good enou= gh" for me. Low standards, or perhaps you just value "other things"? Does Apple Mail give you the option of wrapping text at a sensible number of characters? Perhaps it's just your settings...=20 >=20 > One concern about using Linux on the desktop is that I don't think the = apps will be as good or as polished as the ones I use currently Never understood the obsession with "polish". Either it works properly or it doesn't. The "polishing" Apple delivers always seems to end in me looking at a blnding box of light with the only recourse being to dim *everything*, invert colors on *everything*, or wear shades. Incredibly annoying, and not my idea of "polished" at all (then again, I genuinely don't see why anyone would=20 buy 100 watt light bulbs other than for industrial use). Apparently Apple= =20 doesn't give a rat's behind about accessibility issues.=20 "Imperfect physical specimens need not apply" is what Jobs would probably say if he were honest. Disability is *so* uncool... Another is that (I believe) gestures are not supported in present window = managers - presently I can pinch outwards with two fingers to zoom in on = an image, or I can swipe with 4 fingers to show an overview of my virtual= desktops and open windows. Spreading all 5 fingers shows me the desktop.= So I don't like mice, and I was getting pissed off with cleaning my trac= kball on a daily basis (the ball kinda gets all clogged and slow) =E2=80=A6= it's hard to find a device with as many buttons as I can make trackpad g= estures. You have a keyboard, why the need to "pinch" something? :) >=20 > Nevertheless, there are some things I agree are absolutely shit about O= S X.=20 > Yes, like FINDER (actually makes windows explorer look almost reasonable)= ,=20 utter crap security, xnu, and Jobs' stupid obsession with microkernels. The Mac Defender fiasco is the beginning of the end. A similar thing happened with the original Mac OS, and within two years there were hundred of malware instances just like windows. Apple is more interested in design than in engineering, it's been their=20 downfall before. You say OS X is "good enough" I say you've got some mighty low standards. --=20 caveat utilitor =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2= =9D=A4=20