[gentoo-user] OT: website design

[gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Peter Humphrey]

Hello list,

Off-topic, I know (sorry)!, but I hope someone will have an answer.

Are there any mapping tools for Linux that can be given a URL and produce a 
diagram showing all the internal connections (links) between its pages?

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Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Peter Humphrey
<peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> Off-topic, I know (sorry)!, but I hope someone will have an answer.
>
> Are there any mapping tools for Linux that can be given a URL and produce a
> diagram showing all the internal connections (links) between its pages?

I don't know of an all-in-one to do that, but you can probably use a
tool that spiders a website to get all of the page relationships, then
run it through graphviz to make it look pretty.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[dhkuhl]

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----- Original Message -----From: Paul Hartman Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011 12:41 pmSubject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website designTo: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Peter Humphrey>  wrote:> > Hello list,> >> > Off-topic, I know (sorry)!, but I hope someone will have an answer.> >> > Are there any mapping tools for Linux that can be given a URL > and produce a> > diagram showing all the internal connections (links) between > its pages?> > I don't know of an all-in-one to do that, but you can probably > use a> tool that spiders a website to get all of the page > relationships, then> run it through graphviz to make it look pretty.> >Try lynx or maybe wget they have a lot of options.  lynx may be your best bet since wget downloads the files and that's probably not what you want.  However, you may be able to get what you want with wget.With lynx you may be able to use something like the following.lynx -crawl -traversal -dump -listonly http://www.yahoo.comYou'll need to play around with the options.

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 19:45 on Thursday 02 June 2011, 
dhkuhl@optonline.net did opine thusly:

> ----- Original Message -----From: Paul Hartman Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011
> 12:41 pmSubject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website designTo:
> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Peter
> Humphrey>  wrote:> > Hello list,> >> > Off-topic, I know (sorry)!, but I
> hope someone will have an answer.> >> > Are there any mapping tools for
> Linux that can be given a URL > and produce a> > diagram showing all the
> internal connections (links) between > its pages?> > I don't know of an
> all-in-one to do that, but you can probably > use a> tool that spiders a
> website to get all of the page > relationships, then> run it through
> graphviz to make it look pretty.> >Try lynx or maybe wget they have a lot
> of options.  lynx may be your best bet since wget downloads the files and
> that's probably not what you want.  However, you may be able to get what
> you want with wget.With lynx you may be able to use something like the
> following.lynx -crawl -traversal -dump
> -listonly http://www.yahoo.comYou'll need to play around with the options.


There's something wrong with your mailer, it's doing weird stuff with line 
breaks. Please fix it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 19:45 on Thursday 02 June 2011,
> dhkuhl@optonline.net did opine thusly:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----From: Paul Hartman Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011
>> 12:41 pmSubject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website designTo:
>> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Peter
>> Humphrey>  wrote:> > Hello list,> >> > Off-topic, I know (sorry)!, but I
>> hope someone will have an answer.> >> > Are there any mapping tools for
>> Linux that can be given a URL > and produce a> > diagram showing all the
>> internal connections (links) between > its pages?> > I don't know of an
>> all-in-one to do that, but you can probably > use a> tool that spiders a
>> website to get all of the page > relationships, then> run it through
>> graphviz to make it look pretty.> >Try lynx or maybe wget they have a lot
>> of options.  lynx may be your best bet since wget downloads the files and
>> that's probably not what you want.  However, you may be able to get what
>> you want with wget.With lynx you may be able to use something like the
>> following.lynx -crawl -traversal -dump
>> -listonly http://www.yahoo.comYou'll need to play around with the options.
>
>
> There's something wrong with your mailer, it's doing weird stuff with line
> breaks. Please fix it.

Sun Java mail suite (client and server) have been mangling e-mail
messages for years. It's probably his ISP's web-based e-mail solution.
The only "fix" is to use something else.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 22:16 on Thursday 02 June 2011, Paul Hartman 
did opine thusly:

> > There's something wrong with your mailer, it's doing weird stuff with
> > line breaks. Please fix it.
> 
> Sun Java mail suite (client and server) have been mangling e-mail
> messages for years. It's probably his ISP's web-based e-mail solution.
> The only "fix" is to use something else.

So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can 
only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise.

<sigh> what is the world coming to....

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Stroller]

On 3 June 2011, at 08:44, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> ...
> So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can 
> only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise.

I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, these days, and that we on this list had gone from being a bunch of intolerant geek assholes (genuinely not looking at anyone specific here) who could not accept top-posting under any circumstances to permitting it from those devices.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 01:49:22 +0100, Stroller wrote:

> > So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one
> > that can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it
> > otherwise.  
> 
> I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that,

No, only the crap ones.


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Neil Bothwick

Someone who thinks logically is a nice contrast to the real world.

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Stroller]

On 4 June 2011, at 09:45, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 01:49:22 +0100, Stroller wrote:
> 
>>> So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one
>>> that can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it
>>> otherwise.  
>> 
>> I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that,
> 
> No, only the crap ones.

I find K9-Mail otherwise really nice. What are you using?

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 21:57:45 +0100, Stroller wrote:

> >> I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that,  
> > 
> > No, only the crap ones.  
> 
> I find K9-Mail otherwise really nice. What are you using?

K9, it defaults to top-posting, but you can change it. However, you can't
edit the text you are quoting, so it is still rather top-posting-centric.


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Beware! The end is... <aaarrgh!>

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Sebastian Beßler]

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Von: Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>

> K9, it defaults to top-posting, but you
> can change it.

K9 is the best mobil mailclient.

> However, you can't
> edit the text you are quoting, so it is still > rather top-posting-centric.

\rSure you can as you see AT this Mail! 
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 00:30 on Sunday 05 June 2011, Neil Bothwick 
did opine thusly:

> On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 21:57:45 +0100, Stroller wrote:
> > >> I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that,
> > > 
> > > No, only the crap ones.
> > 
> > I find K9-Mail otherwise really nice. What are you using?
> 
> K9, it defaults to top-posting, but you can change it. However, you can't
> edit the text you are quoting, so it is still rather top-posting-centric.

I don't see the point of editing a quote actually :-)

Unless you mean reformatting it to still fit in 78 columns


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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Sebastian Beßler]

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Am 05.06.2011 11:53, schrieb Alan McKinnon:

> I don't see the point of editing a quote actually :-)

Oh there a many uses for that. Replying to specifig parts of a quote for
example.

> Unless you mean reformatting it to still fit in 78 columns

I edit quotes nearly by every anwser, to delete parts of the quote that
are unneeded so it is easier and better to read. Fullquotes are, in my
eyes, nearly as bad as top posting.

Greetings

Sebastian




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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 12:20 on Sunday 05 June 2011, Sebastian Beßler 
did opine thusly:

> Am 05.06.2011 11:53, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> > I don't see the point of editing a quote actually :-)
> 
> Oh there a many uses for that. Replying to specifig parts of a quote for
> example.
> 
> > Unless you mean reformatting it to still fit in 78 columns
> 
> I edit quotes nearly by every anwser, to delete parts of the quote that
> are unneeded so it is easier and better to read. Fullquotes are, in my
> eyes, nearly as bad as top posting.


Ah, I see what you mean. Now we're tracking.



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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Mick]

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On Thursday 02 Jun 2011 17:39:51 Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Peter Humphrey
> 
> <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:
> > Hello list,
> > 
> > Off-topic, I know (sorry)!, but I hope someone will have an answer.
> > 
> > Are there any mapping tools for Linux that can be given a URL and produce
> > a diagram showing all the internal connections (links) between its
> > pages?
> 
> I don't know of an all-in-one to do that, but you can probably use a
> tool that spiders a website to get all of the page relationships, then
> run it through graphviz to make it look pretty.

Do you want to create a sitemap or to check the validity of current links?
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Indi]

On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 03:00:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote:
> 
> On 3 June 2011, at 08:44, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > ...
> > So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can 
> > only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise.
> 
> I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, these days, and that we on this list had gone from being a bunch of intolerant geek assholes (genuinely not looking at anyone specific here) who could not accept top-posting under any circumstances to permitting it from those devices.
> 

Where's the fun in that?

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Dale]

Indi wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 03:00:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote:
>    
>> On 3 June 2011, at 08:44, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>      
>>> ...
>>> So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that can
>>> only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise.
>>>        
>> I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, these days, and that we on this list had gone from being a bunch of intolerant geek assholes (genuinely not looking at anyone specific here) who could not accept top-posting under any circumstances to permitting it from those devices.
>>
>>      
> Where's the fun in that?
>    

What I would like to know is why some threads get broken up?  My mail 
client here follows these conversations as threads.  For some reason, 
recently the threads are getting broken as if someone started a fresh one.

I'm sure this is not intentional and may not be avoidable but it makes 
it difficult to follow the conversation.

Is the same happening for others or is it just picking on me?

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Stroller]

On 4 June 2011, at 02:33, Dale wrote:
> …
> What I would like to know is why some threads get broken up?  My mail client here follows these conversations as threads.  For some reason, recently the threads are getting broken as if someone started a fresh one.
> 
> I'm sure this is not intentional and may not be avoidable but it makes it difficult to follow the conversation.
> 
> Is the same happening for others or is it just picking on me?

Blimey!

I'm so glad you mentioned it.

Having recently moved to a new mail client (major version) I assumed it was just me that was experiencing this problem.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: website design

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 03:33 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Dale did opine 
thusly:

> Indi wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 03:00:01AM +0200, Stroller wrote:
> >> On 3 June 2011, at 08:44, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>> So it's like that Java-based gmail client for smartphones? The one that
> >>> can only top posts and gives the user no way to do it otherwise.
> >> 
> >> I thought *every* mail client for smart phones did that, these days, and
> >> that we on this list had gone from being a bunch of intolerant geek
> >> assholes (genuinely not looking at anyone specific here) who could not
> >> accept top-posting under any circumstances to permitting it from those
> >> devices.
> > 
> > Where's the fun in that?
> 
> What I would like to know is why some threads get broken up?  My mail
> client here follows these conversations as threads.  For some reason,
> recently the threads are getting broken as if someone started a fresh one.
> 
> I'm sure this is not intentional and may not be avoidable but it makes
> it difficult to follow the conversation.
> 
> Is the same happening for others or is it just picking on me?

No it's not just you. I'm seeing thread fragmentation too.

I have threading set by headers and by subject line and it still happens. So 
someone is using a mail client that changes subject lines. 


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