From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-123537-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1QRt9a-0001m8-Ou for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 21:40:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 228871C075; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.muc.de (colin.muc.de [193.149.48.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927971C075 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 82473 invoked by uid 3782); 1 Jun 2011 21:39:13 -0000 Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9519B9F.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.155.159]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 23:39:11 +0200 Received: (qmail 17624 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Jun 2011 21:38:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 21:38:07 +0000 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome? Message-ID: <20110601213807.GA17134@acm.acm> References: <20110529204905.GA5736@acm.acm> <20110529221308.65f988ec@digimed.co.uk> <20110529213713.GC5736@acm.acm> <201105292356.10969.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <20110530101021.GA3749@acm.acm> <4DE1A80B-F40B-427A-8093-2712C703CEF4@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DE1A80B-F40B-427A-8093-2712C703CEF4@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 98af06d06081c3479ce6605618efd9ca Hello, Stroller. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:26:45AM +0100, Stroller wrote: > On 30/5/2011, at 11:10am, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > ... > > Right clicking on "Audio Disc" gives an "eject" menu point. YUCK!!! > > If I'd've wanted an Apple Macintosh, I know where to buy one. I just > > want my drive's eject button to work. > Your Linux box isn't working, and you're complaining about Macs? No, comPARing, not comPLAINing. :-) > That seems a little inappropriate. > Let me assure you: when a Mac has a hardware button, it will work just > fine. It won't be disabled for no reason. I seem to remember an old Mac back in ~1992 not having a button to eject the floppy. That forced you to use the mouse in the trash can method, just as Gnome is forcing me to use the mouse to eject. > This is why I use Mac for the desktop. Because when I get home after a > hard day's work fixing computers I don't want to have to do a "bat shit > crazy amount of work to keep things working" [1]. I don't want the kind > of grief you've been experiencing with this issue. I'd *love* to use > Linux on the desktop, but it's stuff like this that discourages me. Yes, I can understand. > Right-clicking a CD to get an eject menu is very well-established > across all UIs. It's better established in Windows, in fact (since c > 95), than it is in Macs, which used to be criticised because one > dragged the CD "to the trash" (actually, the Trash icon changes to an > eject icon as soon as you start to drag a CD in MacOS). I would be > *extremely* surprised to hear that KDE didn't have a right-click eject > menu option when I last used it seriously a decade ago. None of this > need prevent the drive's physical eject button working - it should be > possible for the o/s to be aware of that (as it is in Windows, for > instance). Totally agree. I don't object to their being a clicky way to eject a CD; I object to it being the _only_ way. My CD/DVD drive is behind a sturdy sliding door. Sooner or later, I'm going to try to eject the disk with this door shut, with undefined results. I'd prefer not to get into dangerous habits. > I'd be the first to admit that Macs have flaws, but this isn't one (or > two) of them. The biggest flaw the Mac has is that it's a computer. ;-) > > It gets worse. If you double click on "Audio Disc", it opens a > > window with the "files" uselessly displayed. > I'll bet it doesn't display the actual files. Audio CDs don't have > files, they have a single spiral of wav-like audio data. AIUI Linux > desktops *present* audio CDs so that they *appear* as audio files, so > that you can more conveniently drag and drop them to your MP3 music > collection. Ah, right. I dragged a track to the desktop, which converted it to .wav. When I tried to play it, it was a cacophony, a sort of mixture of two streams one to seconds apart. I think I'm better just playing the disk with Aqualung. > Typically there is a preference which allows you to choose between > copying them as MP3, AAC, FLAC &c - the audio data will be transcoded > to the selected format only after you drag & drop the icons in another > folder. > Stroller. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).