From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QRPCl-0005BK-RF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:41:56 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08A331C136; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f53.google.com (mail-ew0-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99211C136 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 13:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1796658ewy.40 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 06:39:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=yBjrkKEem+B0AkIndz6OK17DGScQOo8O/hCjqa2G3DE=; b=hVmQ9M4jYGQILFx9PcZTiM/Ardd/QqmuuwxkOK/y2o6OWg9jyt/9SG/O6rHgnYPrQW l0A+7ijjlb17U60v1CpUwdNQbVtTf+mp8yblAXjB7jB6wuj0tmYlzEuYZ21KEsNN9ZR3 p0xfBbDr5ExU/73Ka9Qipr72RQHSX8wrSmQbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=rYliUwupcZgJs77M6WHo2ymEriNZ+Ey8yWpuJTcsrFBeIcyaTwQr1OtlOOz4S+ToiB iMJ/24VOHfS33MvB3iDAmqAld7Xt7R5kXdgr9u7UAZqAqaIWRu220mZ+1sRpB3mb482H Fx50s5ErRg61MvifhU5iTkG6T1/C1mfvMvw7Q= Received: by 10.14.122.138 with SMTP id t10mr2205564eeh.200.1306849150838; Tue, 31 May 2011 06:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (dustpuppy.is.co.za [196.14.169.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1sm45272eec.13.2011.05.31.06.39.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 06:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye, Gentoo Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:38:30 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.39-ck; KDE/4.6.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <201105311430.56368.wonko@wonkology.org> In-Reply-To: <201105311430.56368.wonko@wonkology.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201105311538.30828.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 97ba70918f0824b2a6b862ab976dcd02 Apparently, though unproven, at 14:30 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Alex Schuster did opine thusly: > Alan McKinnon writes: > > Apparently, though unproven, at 01:28 on Friday 27 May 2011, Kevin > > > > O'Gorman did opine thusly: > > > It looks like it's time to take Gentoo off of my main machine. I feel > > > a little sad about it, or I'd just quietly go away. > > > > > > > > I know how you feel :-) > > > > > > > > I've tried to get away from Gentoo several times, and failed. The amount > > of work we all put into keeping things working is best described as "bat > > shit crazy", but we do it anyway. Maybe it's like a drug thing, we all > > need a daily fix or we need to prove we can still do it. > > I tried various distros (SuSE, Debian, Mandrake, Libranet, RedHat), but > when I started using Gentoo, I was hooked. No fancy shmancy GUIs that > hide what's really going on beneath, and that often enough have their own > bugs so that it's easier to not use them. Rolling updates, no fear that > upgrades mess up everything. Good documentation, that explains what has do > be done and why, instead of just telling me what to do and where to click. That's what keep me on Gentoo for my own machines (bar one) and I have never needed to re-install it anywhere. But at work, things are different. Gentoo is banned from the -prod machines (the risk of some n00b admin running "emerge uND world" and walking away is too great, plus even just (deep) upgrading a single package is often more than a reasonable amount of work for someone who doesn't know portage. It's encouraged on -dev, mostly because I can change versions of almost anything with no hassle at all. A developer wants python-3.2 on a box that already has 2.4 and 2.7? No problem! I do run Ubuntu on the netbook, but I treat that like it was an Android device or a big web browser i.e. I don't try and get fancy and mostly stick with what the installer and apt want to do. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com