From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QPDVh-000876-JI for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:48:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F4951C08D; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f53.google.com (mail-yi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7D91C08D for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 12:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yia25 with SMTP id 25so4025755yia.40 for ; Wed, 25 May 2011 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=xA7ruuCwNm31UD9e4NAgFco2X49U4tveIAFpoG2E/q0=; b=o25c4vy9l+y+rgsQ1byiA9kC++H7y3l+CJmwGK4tN6H26Rq4O8wpL6KFLP2B9fyic3 Qy3EOOBihv3pzftHsFWM/8kbYg3NvMU/QUPWn87XlWOHlTp4FXH06sDT1PEVuUaAlwlO 3qz2YqbShrEej5cW7Ql6rGAX5AwZGWzAgWfJQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; b=L6tDNOdLUI32WdviWhxjapuNhAlggHtK8Qy1f4xkH1plsYaJnyC9z5uGd0cyNqmm/k s4T6YjETjrtE1rKsellyUdPfyvoMQphlzvRHCy2UZeI9gWZJHWF7jbK96J00/Jw323Ju iJdC7jC3twlPfCg2Ahc0wAcC3mLNCgD6YzZYY= Received: by 10.91.98.9 with SMTP id a9mr5466804agm.113.1306327615273; Wed, 25 May 2011 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaurahari.merseine.nu (adsl-72-152-78-99.asm.bellsouth.net [72.152.78.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c17sm6226680anc.41.2011.05.25.05.46.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 May 2011 05:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 08:46:48 -0400 From: Indi To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5 Message-ID: <20110525124648.GA29507@gaurahari.merseine.nu> References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 87a5d9fa6ec29512558517df406041e3 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:00:03AM +0200, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote >=20 > > No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect?=20 >=20 > Here's what I don't expect. I run a tight ship on my machine. I > currently have gnumeric and AbiWord and libreoffice-bin running uncer > icewm. In order to get "emerge -p app-office/kword" to actually start, > I had to... >=20 > !) remove "sys-apps/dbus" from /etc/portage/package.mask >=20 > 2) add the following to /etc/portage/package.use >=20 > x11-libs/qt-sql qt3support > x11-libs/qt-core qt3support ssl exceptions > x11-libs/qt-gui qt3support accessibility dbus > x11-libs/qt-qt3support accessibility kde > x11-libs/qt-svg accessibility > x11-libs/qt-opengl qt3support > x11-libs/qt-webkit kde > sys-block/parted device-mapper > sys-fs/udev extras > sys-auth/consolekit policykit > x11-libs/qt-declarative qt3support >=20 > 3) and here is the 390 megabytes of stuff to emerge... > gebuild N ] dev-libs/libgpg-error-1.10 USE=3D"-common-lisp -nls -s= tatic-libs"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libical-0.43=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-util/boost-build-1.42.0 USE=3D"-examples -python"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/sdparm-1.03=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-power/pm-quirks-20100619=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-block/eject-2.1.5-r2 USE=3D"-nls"=20 > [ebuild N ] kde-base/oxygen-icons-4.6.2 USE=3D"(-aqua) (-kdeenable= final) (-kdeprefix)"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/dbus-1.4.6 USE=3D"X -debug -doc (-selinux) -s= tatic-libs -test"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-cpp/eigen-2.0.13 USE=3D"-debug -doc -examples"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libassuan-2.0.1 USE=3D"-static-libs"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-r1 USE=3D"-authdaemond -ber= kdb -crypt -gdbm -java -kerberos -ldap -mysql -ntlm_unsupported_patch -pa= m -postgres -sample -sqlite -srp -ssl -urandom"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libksba-1.2.0 USE=3D"-static-libs"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.4.6 USE=3D"-static-libs"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/pth-2.0.7-r2 USE=3D"-debug"=20 > [ebuild N ] app-admin/eselect-boost-0.3=20 > [ebuild NS ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.2-r2 [4.3-r1] > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libpcre-8.12 USE=3D"bzip2 (unicode) zlib -cxx= -recursion-limit -static-libs"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/libXScrnSaver-1.2.1 USE=3D"-static-libs"=20 > [ebuild N ] kde-base/kde-env-4.6.2 USE=3D"(-aqua) (-kdeenablefinal= ) (-kdeprefix)"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/attr-2.4.44 USE=3D"-nls"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-cpp/clucene-0.9.21b-r1 USE=3D"threads -debug -doc = -static-libs"=20 > [ebuild NS ] virtual/libusb-0 [1] > [ebuild N ] virtual/eject-0=20 > [ebuild N ] app-crypt/pinentry-0.8.0 USE=3D"-caps -gtk -ncurses -q= t4 -static"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.92 USE=3D"-bash-completion -debug= -doc -static-libs -test"=20 > [ebuild N ] app-crypt/gnupg-2.0.17 USE=3D"bzip2 -adns -caps -doc -= ldap -nls -openct -pcsc-lite (-selinux) -smartcard -static"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/boost-1.42.0-r2 USE=3D"-debug -doc -eselect -= icu -mpi -python -static-libs -test -tools"=20 > [ebuild N ] app-misc/strigi-0.7.1 USE=3D"exif -clucene -dbus -debu= g -fam -hyperestraier -inotify (-log) -qt4 -test"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/acl-2.2.49 USE=3D"(-nfs) -nls"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-power/pm-utils-1.4.1 USE=3D"-alsa -debug -networkm= anager -ntp" VIDEO_CARDS=3D"intel -radeon"=20 > [ebuild R ] sys-fs/udev-151-r4 USE=3D"extras*"=20 > [ebuild N ] app-crypt/gpgme-1.3.0 USE=3D"-common-lisp -pth"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.73-r1 USE=3D"(-clvm) (-cman) -lvm1 -r= eadline (-selinux) -static"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libatasmart-0.17 USE=3D"-static-libs"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-block/parted-2.3 USE=3D"device-mapper -debug -nls = -readline (-selinux)"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1 USE=3D"exceptions qt3support= ssl (-aqua) -debug -glib -iconv -jit -optimized-qmake -pch -private-head= ers"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2 USE=3D"qt3support (-aqua) -debug= -exceptions (-firebird) -freetds -iconv -mysql -odbc -pch -postgres -sql= ite"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2 USE=3D"(-aqua) -debug -except= ions -iconv -jit -pch -private-headers"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2 USE=3D"(-aqua) -debug -exceptio= ns -iconv -pch"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-util/automoc-0.9.88=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2 USE=3D"(-aqua) -debug -exceptio= ns -pch"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2 USE=3D"(-aqua) -debug -p= ch"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/soprano-2.6.0 USE=3D"-clucene -dbus -debug -d= oc -raptor -redland -test -virtuoso"=20 > [ebuild N ] app-crypt/qca-2.0.3 USE=3D"(-aqua) -debug -doc -exampl= es"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libattica-0.2.0 USE=3D"-debug"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2 USE=3D"accessibility dbus mng qt= 3support tiff (-aqua) -cups -debug -egl -exceptions -glib -gtkstyle -nas = -nis -pch -private-headers -raster -trace -xinerama"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2 USE=3D"accessibility kde = (-aqua) -debug -exceptions -pch -phonon"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2 USE=3D"accessibility (-aqua) -de= bug -exceptions -iconv -pch"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2 USE=3D"qt3support (-aqua) -de= bug -egl -exceptions -pch"=20 > [ebuild N ] media-libs/phonon-4.5.0 USE=3D"(-aqua) -debug -gstream= er -pulseaudio -vlc -xine"=20 > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt-0.6.2 USE=3D"-debug -test"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2 USE=3D"kde (-aqua) -dbus -deb= ug -exceptions -jit -pch"=20 > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-declarative-4.7.2-r1 USE=3D"qt3support (-a= qua) -debug -exceptions -pch -private-headers -webkit"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-auth/polkit-0.101-r1 USE=3D"-debug -doc -examples = -gtk (-introspection) -kde -nls -pam"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.4 USE=3D"policykit -debug -doc= -pam -test"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-power/upower-0.9.8 USE=3D"-debug -doc (-introspect= ion) -ios"=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.29=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/rescan-scsi-bus-1.29=20 > [ebuild N ] sys-fs/udisks-1.0.2-r1 USE=3D"-bash-completion -debug = -doc -nls -remote-access"=20 > [ebuild N ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3 USE=3D"bzip2 mmx opengl sse = sse2 -3dnow -acl -alsa (-altivec) (-aqua) -bindist -debug -doc -fam -hand= book -jpeg2k (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) -kerberos -lzma -nls -openexr= -policykit -semantic-desktop -spell -ssl -test -udev -zeroconf"=20 > [ebuild N ] app-office/koffice-data-2.3.3 USE=3D"(-aqua) (-kdeenab= lefinal)"=20 > [ebuild N ] kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.2-r1 USE=3D"(-aqua) -debug -ha= ndbook (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) -ldap -semantic-desktop -test"=20 > [ebuild N ] app-office/koffice-libs-2.3.3 USE=3D"opengl (-aqua) -c= rypt -debug (-kdeenablefinal) -openexr -reports -test"=20 > [ebuild N ] app-office/kword-2.3.3 USE=3D"(-aqua) -debug (-kdeenab= lefinal) -wpd"=20 > For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us=20 it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? I used to use a few "k" apps in the 3 days, they were small and=20 easily integrated into the system. Now kde is like it's own OS,=20 so they've basically eliminated their apps from consideration of=20 non-kde users. Not that it matters much to me, one of the strengths of gentoo=20 is how many ways there are to do a given task. But there are quite a few kde zealots who seem to be completely=20 unaware of what we mean by "fast, light, standalone". I guess some people didn't experience the 80s or 90s. :) --=20 caveat utilitor =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2=9D=A4 =E2=99=AB =E2= =9D=A4=20