From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QOChV-0001fe-FR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 22 May 2011 17:44:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DADE1C013; Sun, 22 May 2011 17:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420841C013 for ; Sun, 22 May 2011 17:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so4829577wyi.40 for ; Sun, 22 May 2011 10:42:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=XGI8M3ckyvHSKXE/H+lg/tKWaHJQPgrHCZIETQeOd14=; b=mmo/bDw4AoW0BdvfdKB5PqJU1WoiFSCyg7xWucCXz1tOBBtfVD3W+taM5ej5BemmVC Zhq7C3HE+RCXOkQmBXK6ySoVqDBrZCe7bsk79yuJGd1XAaibrCxeu1c00lENvA27gsx9 GKwUZhjDCifr9cDvXm0jmyYvLCknQC0VKvsPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=NQ39Kx4Pyc5WIt36gM8qgJjhOVnVbLX8UTR1cxrhPgSThkCZhEG3UfYygW7+DqlzFI +lIxGPesWXeoX6Lc48RRiZbDHJDzYNPLfDh/LQd5ytELhxwN80Fv51tK4K8ejzsL/9S3 4kggGlaK4cRMkTE0EOx7hk3MMGD6UXIzUcek4= Received: by 10.227.54.6 with SMTP id o6mr1467975wbg.83.1306086160562; Sun, 22 May 2011 10:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-215-114-244.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.215.114.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l24sm3573244wbc.30.2011.05.22.10.42.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 22 May 2011 10:42:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5 Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 19:41:50 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38-ck-r1; KDE/4.6.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <20110522143802.GA3132@gaurahari.merseine.nu> In-Reply-To: <20110522143802.GA3132@gaurahari.merseine.nu> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201105221941.51115.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 26f9cdfe510706a99cbcdb0e0eaf3585 Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Sunday 22 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 12:10:01AM +0200, walt wrote: > > On 05/20/2011 08:24 PM, Indi wrote: > > > On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 12:50:01AM +0200, walt wrote: > > >> For you users of unstable gentoo: the recent update of 'icu' broke > > >> dozens of packages (as it always does) including libreoffice. > > >> > > >> The problem is that libreoffice fails to build if you have bison-2.5 > > > > > > I have bison-2.5, but am using libreoffice-bin which seems fine. > > > > Yes, that would be expected because bison is needed only at compile time, > > not at run time. > > > > I would be using libreoffice-bin too, except for a ridiculous change made > > about a year ago in the way openoffice charts are scaled on the y-axis. > > > > I complained bitterly on the openoffice 'chart' mail list, only to > > discover that openoffice changed its perfectly good scaling algorithm to > > ape a change made in M$ Office! > > > > Nobody at openoffice.org would consider reverting that ridiculous mee-too > > change, so I've been editing the open(libre)office source code to remove > > it myself before compiling it. I was very disappointed to find a major > > open- source project following M$ around like a hungry puppy :( > > It's unfortunate that we don't have small, fast, light, standalone > programs to deal with the formats of word, excel, powerpoint, etc but > if we did odds are most people would shun them for a big, bloaty > office suite anyway. Personally, I'd love it if I could open and edit > those office formats in vim... What makes you think they don't *already* exist? * app-office/libreoffice-bin-3.3.2 Total files : 8138 Total size : 498.24 MiB * app-office/koffice-libs-2.3.3 Total files : 697 Total size : 19.45 MiB * app-office/koffice-data-2.3.3 Total files : 214 Total size : 608.63 KiB * app-office/karbon-2.3.3 Total files : 160 Total size : 3 MiB * app-office/kexi-2.3.3 Total files : 337 Total size : 8.17 MiB * app-office/kpresenter-2.3.3 Total files : 188 Total size : 9.28 MiB * app-office/krita-2.3.3 Total files : 783 Total size : 26.10 MiB * app-office/kspread-2.3.3 Total files : 337 Total size : 11.62 MiB * app-office/kword-2.3.3-r1 Total files : 215 Total size : 7.82 MiB Small, fast, light, standalone: yeah, they are all there. Editing them in something vim-alike is highly unlikely to be useful - compare antiword. Office suites are gui programs and the gui layout is as important (if not more so) than the content. And I haven't even touched on graphics elements yet. So you may be able to modify the content but probably not the layout. Have a look inside OOo source code sometimes for a look at what it takes to calculate something as "simple" as where on the page some text goes. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com