From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QMnPe-0002mz-Pr for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 18 May 2011 20:32:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67ADD1C09F; Wed, 18 May 2011 20:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DADB1C09F for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 20:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so1928123wyi.40 for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 13:29:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=IV8rdcpXJ71uXjxs2Fr/FOamnpXY5sKp/ODFLRZNMWU=; b=lHkcc2Egfn6GTvPX3bqtNUNHHVt4ggNf5dM7nJyAj+K2vzd5Iyxit/ngPhUrS2cls3 mxa1Emqb/cMXfA062Av/2DFbz7Y2Cbwf1p/ltjOdUGx+5TuymFSE9NDLLM7vDXZb1W6M F/CiskjQKBO750Wq40VD44PVyTMw++KByaH60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=JDmw8Zv6HlQgin232z1o2jkpNnSu20O17+op5hozsY03+eROTkYtWBS2Au8GUfGtoM YihlckZEPs1tLUM9ENbC0h0Qdz90z+6msNwa2A36Fw1fzKzQS14c1YVRUrlhGD/BWprz RvRrFGQ7FKzePLO8NBEagf40fY1Y/i6RpyUMk= Received: by 10.227.57.78 with SMTP id b14mr2313716wbh.106.1305750582278; Wed, 18 May 2011 13:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-215-114-244.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.215.114.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bo14sm1188360wbb.11.2011.05.18.13.29.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 18 May 2011 13:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] is a nice "place" :-D Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:28:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38-ck-r1; KDE/4.6.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <4DD1AEC8.5010501@earthlink.net> <201105182103.47416.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <20110518201513.GA3116@acm.acm> In-Reply-To: <20110518201513.GA3116@acm.acm> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201105182228.55775.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 6deb80d38c23f8d7307ff64f6c6a4e87 Apparently, though unproven, at 22:15 on Wednesday 18 May 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: > Hi, Alan. > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 09:03:47PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Apparently, though unproven, at 12:17 on Wednesday 18 May 2011, Neil > > Bothwick > > > > did opine thusly: > > > On Tue, 17 May 2011 18:38:33 +0100, Stroller wrote: > > > > Not addressed at you, specifically, but it rather seems like sed & > > > > awk are much under-appreciated these days. I'd guess that this may > > > > be due to the changing nature of *nix users, but they seem to have > > > > "gone out of fashion". Aside from sed's simple replace, I have > > > > certainly never learned to do anything useful with them. > > > > > > They both have a steep initial learning curve, which leads to their > > > adoption being put off. I put awk in the same category as screen, one > > > of those programs that you hear people going on about for years, but > > > always manage to put off trying them. Once you do try them, you use > > > them for everything but slicing bread. > > > > Add bash to that list. > > > > Have you read the full man page for the bloody thing? > > You're not meant to read that man page through from beginning to end. Um, I did .... > Anybody who could learn bash that way would be superhuman. I doubt I learned much though. I even took the effort to reformat it as an OOo doc so I could find stuff and give it to others. It was an interesting exercise, not necessary an interesting *learning* exercise > Unfortunately, the info pages for bash are not well organised. So > beginners have to learn from books, many of which are not good. > > And bash is about the most disorganised, arbitrary language around, full > of crazy little quirks and odd sytaxes. And I love it. ;-) The difference between bash and perl? Perl was inspired by a linguist, who at least puts his foot down at the truly crazy suggestions. Bash has no such thing. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com