Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Indi]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 08:10:02PM +0200, Dale wrote:
> Indi wrote:
> > Generally speaking, either messages sent to the list should be instantaneously
> > available after hitting "send" OR someone is delaying the messages so
> > they can be confirmed On Topic, or at least not spam?
> >
> > Crazy thought...
> >
> >    
> 
> But WHO is going to do that?  Since it is rare that this mailing list 
> sees spam, I don't think it is worth the effort.  The only bad thing is 
> that I don't mark them as spam because I'm worried some legitimate mail 
> may get marked as spam.
>

I was just ribbing the modeator(s), but it's probably an automated thing 
anyway. :)

> 
> I thought you had to be subscribed to the list to send a message?
> 

Not sure, but there are lists one can send to without being a 
subscriber. At least on this list we're less likely to see the 
thousands of microsoft spambots that infest some others. 
:)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Indi]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 09:30:03PM +0200, Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Indi <thebeelzebubtrigger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Generally speaking, either messages sent to the list should be instantaneously
> > available after hitting "send" OR someone is delaying the messages so
> > they can be confirmed On Topic, or at least not spam?
> 
> Never attribute to spam that which can be adequately explained by
> mental illness.

Now that you mention it...
;)
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[gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Indi]

Generally speaking, either messages sent to the list should be instantaneously 
available after hitting "send" OR someone is delaying the messages so
they can be confirmed On Topic, or at least not spam?

Crazy thought...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Dale]

Indi wrote:
> Generally speaking, either messages sent to the list should be instantaneously
> available after hitting "send" OR someone is delaying the messages so
> they can be confirmed On Topic, or at least not spam?
>
> Crazy thought...
>
>    

But WHO is going to do that?  Since it is rare that this mailing list 
sees spam, I don't think it is worth the effort.  The only bad thing is 
that I don't mark them as spam because I'm worried some legitimate mail 
may get marked as spam.

The plus of instant is if someone is needing help fast, you get replies 
a lot faster.

I thought you had to be subscribed to the list to send a message?

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Alan Mackenzie]

Hi, Dale.

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:58:08PM -0500, Dale wrote:
> Indi wrote:
> > Generally speaking, either messages sent to the list should be instantaneously
> > available after hitting "send" OR someone is delaying the messages so
> > they can be confirmed On Topic, or at least not spam?

> > Crazy thought...



> But WHO is going to do that?  Since it is rare that this mailing list 
> sees spam, I don't think it is worth the effort.

I suspect it is rare to see spam precisely because someone (or some two)
is moderating the list.  There are all sorts of strategies for doing
this.  Perhaps a set of core people get straight through, but unknowns
have to wait in the queue for checking.

That this Sinaporeish man got through is perhaps a simple accident.

> The only bad thing is that I don't mark them as spam because I'm
> worried some legitimate mail may get marked as spam.

> The plus of instant is if someone is needing help fast, you get replies 
> a lot faster.

> I thought you had to be subscribed to the list to send a message?

Who's controlling the subscriptions?

> Dale

> :-)  :-)

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Dale]

Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hi, Dale.
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:58:08PM -0500, Dale wrote:
>    
>> Indi wrote:
>>      
>>> Generally speaking, either messages sent to the list should be instantaneously
>>> available after hitting "send" OR someone is delaying the messages so
>>> they can be confirmed On Topic, or at least not spam?
>>>        
>    
>>> Crazy thought...
>>>        
>
>
>    
>> But WHO is going to do that?  Since it is rare that this mailing list
>> sees spam, I don't think it is worth the effort.
>>      
> I suspect it is rare to see spam precisely because someone (or some two)
> is moderating the list.  There are all sorts of strategies for doing
> this.  Perhaps a set of core people get straight through, but unknowns
> have to wait in the queue for checking.
>
> That this Sinaporeish man got through is perhaps a simple accident.
>
>    
>> The only bad thing is that I don't mark them as spam because I'm
>> worried some legitimate mail may get marked as spam.
>>      
>    
>> The plus of instant is if someone is needing help fast, you get replies
>> a lot faster.
>>      
>    
>> I thought you had to be subscribed to the list to send a message?
>>      
> Who's controlling the subscriptions?
>
>    
>> Dale
>>      
>    
>> :-)  :-)
>>      

I think there is something that filters them because this list gets very 
few spam messages.  At least I don't see many.  As much traffic as this 
list gets sometimes, I doubt there is someone(s) doing the filtering 
tho.  There are times when this list gets pretty busy.  Just let portage 
bork something and watch it fly.  lol  Then again, that has been a while 
too.  ;-)

I think the subscription is basically all automated.  Just send a 
message, it sends a confirmation and you send it back.  Thing is, they 
got your IP and all by that time.  So, if you send spam, they know who 
to block.

I do recall the list getting away messages a good while back.  It took a 
bit for someone to put the brakes on that too.  That's one reason I 
don't think anyone is reading then allowing the forwards on this list.

Let's just hope the spam doesn't get worse.  Strange that spell check 
wants to capitalize spam.  o_O  I ain't talking about meat.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 18:26 on Monday 16 May 2011, Indi did opine 
thusly:

> Generally speaking, either messages sent to the list should be
> instantaneously available after hitting "send" OR someone is delaying the
> messages so they can be confirmed On Topic, or at least not spam?
> 
> Crazy thought...

It's the former and there's a snowball's chance in hell it will ever be the 
latter.

It's not instantaneous though. Mail does not work like that.


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alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Paul Hartman]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Indi <thebeelzebubtrigger@gmail.com> wrote:
> Generally speaking, either messages sent to the list should be instantaneously
> available after hitting "send" OR someone is delaying the messages so
> they can be confirmed On Topic, or at least not spam?

Never attribute to spam that which can be adequately explained by
mental illness.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 21:18 on Monday 16 May 2011, Paul Hartman did 
opine thusly:

> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Indi <thebeelzebubtrigger@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > Generally speaking, either messages sent to the list should be
> > instantaneously available after hitting "send" OR someone is delaying
> > the messages so they can be confirmed On Topic, or at least not spam?
> 
> Never attribute to spam that which can be adequately explained by
> mental illness.

As one of those poor unfortunate souls having to maintain and admin MailMan, I 
have one overriding rule with spam:

When automated software cannot deal with it anymore, it is time for that 
MailMan to go away and be replaced.



-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Sebastian Beßler]

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Am 16.05.2011 22:55, schrieb Alan McKinnon:

> When automated software cannot deal with it anymore, it is time for that 
> MailMan to go away and be replaced.

Do you have any suggestions?
As far as I am concerned that MailMan does his work very good.

Greetings
Sebastian


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Spam and Moderation [was: An Invitation to Neuroscientists and Physicists: Singapore Citizen Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) Reports First Hand Account of Mind Intrusion and Mind Reading]

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 23:25 on Monday 16 May 2011, Sebastian Beßler 
did opine thusly:

> Am 16.05.2011 22:55, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> > When automated software cannot deal with it anymore, it is time for that
> > MailMan to go away and be replaced.
> 
> Do you have any suggestions?
> As far as I am concerned that MailMan does his work very good.

No suggestions needed from me at this time. The software for this list is 
working very well indeed and nothing needs to be changed.

What I meant was "don't waste your time trying to deal with spam on a mailing 
list and control it once the address leaks onto spammer's lists. Just remove 
the mailing list and change the name to something spammers don't know yet."

It all works out with surprisingly little fuss.


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